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Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP05 Nov 2017 7:42 p.m. PST

I picked up the Uniformology AWI Spanish uniform booklets at Fall In.
Lots of pretty pictures but not a whole lot of text. In fact, none.
There aren't many AWI Dpsnidh ranges out there.
One thing I noticed in the booklets were the strange Grenadier caps worn by Grenadiers.
I've seem those caps on a friend's Napoleonic Spanish Army in 15mm.
As far as I'm concerned, all I want is tricornes, or the same cap to match, turnbacks, maybe the same packs etc.
are they similar?

Note I'm not asking for permission. grin just advice if they're "close enough on the tabletop".

Glengarry505 Nov 2017 9:07 p.m. PST

From what I understand the coats are a different cut, the front of the AWI coats are open and the Nap's are closed to put it simply.

Rallynow Supporting Member of TMP05 Nov 2017 11:18 p.m. PST

Sounds like a good Kickstarter for Eureka. And some Spanish militia.

attilathepun4705 Nov 2017 11:55 p.m. PST

No. Napoleonic era Spanish infantry wore bicornes, shakos, or something like Tarleton helmets for some light infantry.

Supercilius Maximus In the TMP Dawghouse06 Nov 2017 1:26 a.m. PST

Winston,

A decent paint job will convert SYW French into Spanish line infantry; the grenadier caps are unique though. However, from what I've seen, there were two types of uniform for metropolitan (ie European Spanish) troops, and a third for colonial troops. Get hold of Rene Chartrand's Osprey MAA "Spanish troops in North America 1700-1793" as it has a lot of helpful text.

If you can manage a little Spanish, the "guerreros y battallas" series has a couple of AWI books, one on the siege of Gibraltar (#43) and one on Pensacola (not sure of the number). These are essentially Spanish Ospreys and top notch on the Spanish kit (not so much on the British/Loyalist/German – but I would imagine you already have that covered!!!).

RudyNelson06 Nov 2017 5:39 a.m. PST

Though the Spanish units were slow to adopt updated uniforms, due to uniforms having to be bought by the units colonel, certain units especially in the colonies were considered years if not decades out of date.
Thie uniform issue was one reason units assigned to Louisiana had a hard time getting volunteers. The Louisiana troops had to have two uniforms rather than one as in Mexico.
All of this is highlighted in my book on the Spanish Army and operations in the American Revolution.
So as SM said, the closest uniforms would be French castings.

42flanker06 Nov 2017 5:44 a.m. PST

I think tricorne/bicorne are not really helpful terms when discussing the evolution of the military cocked hat during this period. It frequently leads to misunderstandings.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP06 Nov 2017 8:36 a.m. PST

@RudyNelson
Is your book still available?

Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP06 Nov 2017 8:40 a.m. PST

John,

If you are looking for appropriate 28mm Spanish figures for AWI then may I suggest the former London Warroom Spanish that are now owned and cast by Dayton Painting Consortium. dpcltdcom.org/rsm95_010.htm

I have a number of them both painted and unpainted. Some pictures and comparisons can be seen here:

link

link (Please ignore the comment about them being OOP.)

Hope this helps.

Jim

KSmyth06 Nov 2017 1:53 p.m. PST

Winston,

I second Col Campbell. The figures were fine, and the fellows at DPC were easy to work with.

RudyNelson06 Nov 2017 2:52 p.m. PST

Just ask and send an email address. I can send a ecopy which is without photos.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP07 Nov 2017 8:42 a.m. PST

Rudy. I don't have your email address.

I already have some of the Dayton figures. They're sold as SYW Spanish, I think. I originally bought them to use as Swiss at Louisbourg, but that fell through. So, they're drafted.
My plans are now to get some Historifigs, particularly Militia and Grenadiers, and go with Old Glory FIW French.
I believe I have a bag of Fitz James Horse sitting around somewhere. Dragoons!

RudyNelson08 Nov 2017 8:32 p.m. PST

Scottnelson@bellsouth.com

axabrax Supporting Member of TMP10 Nov 2017 7:07 a.m. PST

Would love to see someone produce a new, dedicated range for the Spanish. Doug at Trident Designs has them on his list, but they've been there for years with no movement. Maybe the Perry's will get interested at some point…

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