"Man, the Host is really a dump:)" Topic

vagamer63- My apologies 'bout that. Unfortunately, sarcasm doesn't come across well (if at all) on these forums (and I could have been a little sharper on the uptake…).

And you're spot on. Short of full remediation, they're never going to rid that place of its mold problem. Without that, all the cosmetic changes are nothing more than lipstick on a pig…

Bodies are everywhere at the Host! OMG it looks like Jonestown! The horror, oh the horror!

HMGS, the BOD, and it's very vocal supporters don't give a hoot, or even a DAMN about the health of those who they beg to attend their shows!!

What do you care for Vagamer63? You made it abundantly clear you've attended your last HMGS show when Historicon left Fredericksburg.

I don't stay at the Host. Never did, never will. Can find a better room for 1/2 the price less than a mile away, so I can't comment on the rooms. Those who got renovated rooms seemed pleased. Those who received older rooms yet to be refurbished seems peeved. Cold Wars will be the big tell, in another 4 months I'd hope at least 2 more blocks of rooms are finished.

The most odious thing I saw (other than a few unwashed gamers) was they deliberately slapped out of order signs on all the beverage machines selling drinks for $1.50 USD, so they could sell them to you for $3 USD at the food stand.

Bodies are everywhere at the Host! OMG it looks like Jonestown! The horror, oh the horror!

Yeah..it's fun to laugh at HG until someone actually has a medical condition happen because of a sick building.
Based on your response, it's not like you would care it seems….

HMGS, the BOD, and it's very vocal supporters don't give a hoot, or even a DAMN about the health of those who they beg to attend their shows!!
What do you care for Vagamer63? You made it abundantly clear you've attended your last HMGS show when Historicon left Fredericksburg.

Haven't you figured it out by now?? VAGamer doesn't care that FECC costs over twice as much as all the other sites. Nor does he care that less and less people are attending Historicon.

Nope – he's gonna boycott and hold out for his boy Dudley. Some how they're gonna bring Historicon back to the FECC – even if it kills the convention.

Yeah..it's fun to laugh at HG until someone actually has a medical condition happen because of a sick building.
Based on your response, it's not like you would care it seems….

Does anyone have anything factual that they can bring to the table? Maybe spore count that was done? Anything?

From what I was told by another individual at the convention is that historygamer is an expert in everything. Whether he can base it with actual facts is another issue though. At least that is what this person told me.

Now now Disco. Shouldn't we all attempt to play together nicely?

Does anyone have anything factual that they can bring to the table? Maybe spore count that was done? Anything?

As someone who has had their health affected by mold and "sick building syndrome", (and yes it does exist), I can pretty much verify that it is a factual issue, whether you want to believe it or not. To the best of my knowledge it hasn't happened at The Host (luckily), but based on what you read from people on mold there, do you really REALLY need someone taken out on a gurney BEFORE you actually start to understand that it does happen?

Factual? I saw a black mold all over the ceiling with my own two eyes. So did several other people. One in fact mentioned that a family member of theirs who is in the hotel industry doesn't understand how the host is still open.

All I'm looking for is something factual that's says this is an issue. If this is as bad as certain people claim a test should be done. Without that, I take allot of this with a grain of salt.

You have a person right here telling you he saw it. Mold has been reported in so many reports about it that it's amazing you would "take it with a grain of salt", but then again as long as your convention is in The Host, you really don't care…

I'm just asking for levels of infestation. Give me a number of how bad this supposedly is. Like you said – would hate to see someone pulled out on a gurney.

Then again, saw some pretty disgusting things at the FECC.

No idea how many spores are in the air.

I can only report that I saw big patches in the ceiling of the 500 hallway, more mold in our shower, and my buddy who has a terrible mold allergy was a mess the entire weekend.

If you have mold like that in your house, you'd get it remediated immediately. I am surprised the hotel can even stay open with it so obvious.

Btw, here are some photos from the host… give a look through and you'll see what I mean. Absolutely disgusting.

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No idea how many spores are in the air.

I can only report that I saw big patches in the ceiling of the 500 hallway, more mold in our shower, and my buddy who has a terrible mold allergy was a mess the entire weekend.

If you have mold like that in your house, you'd get it remediated immediately. I am surprised the hotel can even stay open with it so obvious.

I have allergies too and mold is pretty high on the list (I get four shots on a biweekly basis). So far, I really haven't had any issues outside my normal allergies – and I've been going to the Host for 20 years now. I've only stayed onsite a few times so many that's why I don't see much.

The photos in the link appear to be shots of before the renovations. I know the Host is closing for a couple of months to finish the renovations.

@Lord Ashram – Just curious – did you attend any of the meetings that John Spiess held?

Just a few observations on the "in process Host."

Flat screen tv and individual ac/heating units in the rooms are a plus, though they were installed in a number of rooms a while back.

We were fortunate to have a room with one of the renovated bathrooms. Very nice.
The rest of the motel room…meh. No cable or connection for the phone or clock. Fussy lock on the door. In general ok, but still needing work.

As noted elsewhere, the new tables were great both for playing and selling.

Food and beverage stuff not so hot. The beef/pork at the famous hall pig buffet were especially uninspiring. Soda machines out of order or sold out for much of weekend. No working ice machines that we could find. Dining or provisioning off site still recommended at this point.

A family emergency cut short the weekend, so I never saw the new vendor hall. Heard many positives about it, except perhaps for the extra cardio workout getting to/from the new entrance.

Hopefully things will continue to improve as they tackle the remaining blocks of rooms and the largely untouched hallways and public spaces.

Hope to see folks at Cold Wars!

Food and beverage stuff not so hot. The beef/pork at the famous hall pig buffet were especially uninspiring. Soda machines out of order or sold out for much of weekend. No working ice machines that we could find. Dining or provisioning off site still recommended at this point.

The one thing I wish they could get going is credit cards. At most of the food stations it was "cash only". WHY???

POS CC machines charge a certain amount for their use for each transaction, that they are used in. Essentially the hotel pays to use the CC service and the equipment. Obviously they want to keep the 1/10th of 1 cent that is charged.

some of these guys are at least 100 lbs overwieght,some waaaay more, i hope theyre not the ones complaining about the place being a dump

What''s the connection between someone's weight and the state of the Host?

I note that the carping began three minutes after Friday registration, but no one said "thanks!" before driving home on Sunday.

I checked with some of the Host staff and some of our own people. The restaurant proper was closed for renovation, and this certainly didn't help other food service issues. The incomplete state of the dealers hall was due to delays getting local officials to buy off on permits. When done, the main entrance will be on the south side, sparing wargamers the arduous and unfamiliar 50-yard walk.

And I think it's only fair that everyone who has been complaining for years that no money was spent maintaining the Host refrain from complaining at the inconveniences caused by actually spending money to update the facility.

Looking forward to Cold Wars myself.

Hey!

No, no meetings… I have to admit, I am not a real member of the toy soldier community, sort of:) Only do one convention a year, if I can, and on my one weekend away from work (where I am also heading the contract negotiations of my union) and the wife and kids (two small ones, with a wife who works nights when I get home from work) I tend to just toy soldier it up.

I appreciate the folks who put the work in to make toy soldier convention happen, of course:)

I think I can comment on the conditions of the hotel in which I stayed this weekend. Glad to hear others had a better experience; my hotel experience was as bad as it could be without a literal sickness or infestation of bed bugs. The photos come from… I don't know when. But they PERFECTLY mirror exactly what the hotel looks like, in many cases… mold and mildew everywhere, hair everywhere, room carpeting that leaves your feet dirty if you don't wear slippers, everything chipped and cracked… that's it. That's the place. It is gross, and I sort of don't want to go back. I wish the convention hotel could be nicer.

Not sure what someone's weight has to do with knowing if a hotel is gross or not. I'm a fairly trim guy, but I don't think that makes a difference, one way or another. Felt like you maybe just took a chance to throw a shot?

And yes, I posted about it soon after I checked in because I was thoroughly grossed the hell out and was on TMP, which has a whole section on the convention. I swear, I am baffled by some of you. Is there a proper wait time for checking into a hotel and saying "Ew, the bathroom is moldy and there is hair in the corners and stains on the rugs and ceiling."…?

I don't know if people are just scarred from previous interwebz fighting about conventions or what, but a person should be able to say ""My hotel room is gross" without being accused of having some ulterior motive, of not appreciating the work people put in, of just being a naysayer who should just suck up mold, or of being obese, especially if said person has already talked about how excited he was for the convention and who then posts hundreds of photos of everyones great games afterwards. Wtf… Internet forums and communities, sometimes…

Glad to see after all the usual whining about killer mold and other B-movie nightmares coming after innocent gamers, once again, the Host and HMGS managed to get through the con without any fatalities. To read some comments (as usual), you'd figure the bodies were stacked up like cord word.

Clearly, the Host was allowed to run down to very undesirable levels, but just as clearly, the new owners are renovating the place. You can whine about the pace if you want (though we wouldn't be so happy if they shut the place to get work done more quickly and we were scrambling for another venue on short notice. With heat units, the sporadic reno in the hotel, the expo center, it's clearly money is being spent. So, perhaps some patience is in order.

A handful complained about the conditions. A handful pointed out the improvements. I tend to not be particularly fussy. Individual experiences vary. The one time we stayed at the Ike, the room stank and my wife refused to eve return. Others had wonderful experiences. The now closed hotel hosting Guns of August 2016 was a dodgy experience.

It seemed clear to me that the Host is making serious efforts to improve. I am inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt

@Lord Ashram

The reason I asked was because John S. did touch on some of the issues you mentioned.

1) The Host is shutting down for a couple of months to complete the renovations.
2) I heard that the people that got renovated rooms were happy, those that got older rooms, not so much.
3) There are other venues being looked at for Historicon and Cold Wars.

From what I personally saw, they are doing a great job with the hotel. I completely agree with Civil – I'm going to wait until the finished product is presented before passing judgement.

In the meantime, I'm settling down, thinking about the great time I had at the Host with my friends. Have a good night all!

Pace of renovations? You think I am upset about "pace of renovations?" No fatalities? Hyperbole much?

For 130whatever a night, a hotel should not have mold everywhere and hair everywhere and stains everywhere and a menu missing a third of the foods with a chunk of the rest literally inedible (with waiters who respond to questions about why a dish is fundamentally different than four hours ago by giving only "Variety is the spice of life" and a shrug…) renovations or not.

Man, I am really susprised by the attitudes of some of you. Seriously. Really dismissive and holier than thou, with a surprising lack of expectations of service in exchange for hundreds of dollars spent.

Thanks for the info, King. Glad to know they are renovating, and hoping for great accommodations in the future, to match the con itself. Just wish they took a bit more pride in what they were providing in the meantime is all.

Actually, doctor, I have high mold allergies. I'm sitting at home fine after spending two nights in the place. I will be generous and say it is a work in progress and will see what it's like when done. I bet it gets sold shortly after that, along with a bundle package of the owner's properties.

Stay there, don't stay there, but either way you know what you're getting.

The FCC, which turns out still is maybe, kinda, sorta still in the mix along with VFCC and the Convention Center in Lancaster. While it wasn't a lot, Hcon again lost attendance this year at FEC. Maybe it cratered, maybe not. I hear it has a new manager that jacked up the price. Either way count me out. Not opposed to going further south, just not there.

This discussion has gotten way out of hand.

We know some people didn't like the Host and other people did.

Paying good money, for a bad room is a valid complaint. Did anyone talk to hotel management? Did anyone complain about the condition of the bad rooms? Did anyone ask if the good room price was more expensive? If the price was basically the same across the board, it is a valid point but that should have been addressed with the hotel. All of the issues with bad rooms, mold, broken things, should be complaints to hotel management. If you complain enough they many even give you a discount. I cannot be sure but I don't think The Host staff and owners, are reading this.

There are at least five other hotels within easy walking distance. Maybe not as close as Thr Host but parking may be closer. Or park at The Host and walk to the hotel you are staying at. Simplifies things for a GM.

Just don't go if you don't like it. There are other conventions out there. Maybe not as large as the "big three" but they do exist.

If you like Lancaster, there is The Weekend, which is being held in April next year, at The Continental, across from The Host. There is also NJ Con / Fire in the East. I see ads for the one in Williamsburg. I know there are some in Florida, Maine, Vermont. There are choices out there.

In regards to the mold I found and read, The Center for Disease Control information. cdc.gov/mold/stachy.htm

Also, a nationally recognized indoor air quality firm: link

I'm not saying it cant be an issue but read what the experts say.

To me we should be looking at people in the field, dealing with mold. They hold your life in their hands, so I would imagine it would be important to them to get it right. They would certainly be losing a ton of money if always wrong or spreading false information.

In 2016, after the water leak, The Host was closed link

Now, the question I have, is why was it allowed to reopen if it was deemed unsafe for human occupancy in 2016. Either it wasn't unsafe anymore or someone, probably a lot of someone's were paid off.

If the former, then it was deemed not unsafe. Maybe as the company above states, the black mold people are seeing, isn't toxic. Maybe hire the company to test it during the next convention.

If the latter then report the issue to the state authorities and news media, and have an investigation launched.

Talk to the Board of Directors, the convention directors, and other HMGS staff. I'm sure someone will say that they don't care, but if enough people stop attending and start complaining, maybe change will happen. Queue Historicon location discussion.

How about running for the BOD or volunteering to help with convention duties. It might take years of work, but eventually someone may listen to what you are saying.

If you feel it is that bad, then do something meaningful, rather than complaining to a group of people that can't do anything about it. Take the time and money to save the lives of those that go to The Host if you feel that strongly. Take the time to issue complaints to the proper authorities and to contact the news media.

History is full of terrible things that happened. Maybe if someone had done something meaningful, instead of sitting back and just talking, some of those things could have been avoided.

If you care that much, and are that concerned and upset, do what is right.

One person, speaking out, could single handily change the face of historical gaming, and this discussion would never happen again.

If one of the upset people isn't willing to do that, then maybe, it's time to either find another hobby, or to just accept what is provided.

Step up and speak to those that can make the change, even if you have to pay for the tests or some type of investigation out of your pocket.

I'm sure the craziness will continue.

+1 pvi99th

I have to wade in to this:

As someone who has had their health affected by mold and "sick building syndrome", (and yes it does exist), I can pretty much verify that it is a factual issue, whether you want to believe it or not

Personally, I am also allergic to mold and mildew. I usually do not stay at the Host, but spending all weekend there leaves me with no allergic rhinitis or other allergy related symptoms. Of course, others responses may vary. The biggest complaint from "sick building syndrome" is tiredness and malaise, leaving some experts to suggest a psychological component.

PDF link

I bring this up because a few years back, one TMP member tried to tell us that he would drop dead if he came to the Host. His doctor told him he was taking his life in his hands. That raised my BS detector and made me do a PubMed hunt on mold mortality and morbidity. Apart from allergic reactions, all mortality and morbidity results were from such immunosuppressed or immunocompromised individuals that they shouldn't be going to conventions in the first place. Unfortunately, I am a MS sufferer and control the disease with Tecfidera, an immunosuppressant. I should be the first one to keel over from the "toxic" Host.

I'll end with saying that it's nice to be 100% in agreement with Historygamer here. Hyperbole and sarcasm are a bit different and can be hard to differentiate on the internet.

Pvi, just FYI… when we checked in on Thursday at noon, we were told there were no refurbished rooms. When we said sure there are, we know that the hotel has had some done, we were told by the front desk that they are filling in from the back of the hotel forward, so sorry.

When we brought up the horrifying meal with the wait staff, we were told "variety is the spice of life" and that was it. The super long waits for a drink at the bar (at one point we waited nearly ten minutes for two bottles of beer… keep in mind there were a grand total of six people at the bar at that point, and nobody was ordering anything… the bartender was just sort of walking back and forth and looking flustered…. my buddy was a bartender for several years and was stunned by it) were a bit headscratching. One of our party literally couldn't take a bite of their dinner.

We did not say anything to the cleaning staff… if they let the toilets go unscrubbed and the tubs get full of mold already, we weren't holding out hope that they would suddenly start… well, cleaning.

While I would love to get more involved with the war games society, I'm just not at a point where I can do that. First, I only attend a single convention a year. Second, life is a bit busy right now… two young kids, a wife who works nights while I work days (leaving me with bedtimes and dinnertimes and all of that) plus a job where I not only work, but help run my union and am in the midst of a several-year-long contract negotiation. Third… I've seen how unpleasant some wargamers can be (or indeed how members of ANY community can be) and I am not sure I want to be subjected to that for any length of time… I've had my fill just in this thread, where I had a half dozen people go after me for the audacity of making a factual statement of "this hotel is gross."

I thought some of what you posted was silly.

I was told the hotel was on skeletal staffing before the long shut down. I think it will all need reassessing after the grand opening.

We made it through and it was adequate, though by no means ideal. Have to see what it is like when done and go from there.

According to the BoD, the options (of running the same cons) is extremely limited for what HMGS can afford and what it needs (based on the current/old model).

You certainly have valid issues, and I am not being sarcastic, but they are issues relating to bad business practices.

Unfortunately with a chat forum you can't post your comment and then lock the thread so responses can't be made by others. Your initial post was what you experienced, therefore it is important, but unfortunately all comments like that do is start a back and forth with sarcasm and constant escalation. At times it can even degenerate into personal attacks against others. If the comments could be locked then people could use a forum to post valid issues without an argument ensuing.

I don't know where to say to post your issues but there are various organizations that can help. They may be better equipped to deal with these things.

Since The Host staff was not helpful a complaint can be waged here link

I believe this is the township that can be contacted about the health issues
eastlampetertownship.org

You can also contact link
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I would also imagine there is some sort of hotel liscensing group out there.

Hopefully either the BBB or one of the local media outlets can get answers to your issues.

I just don't like to see all the bickering over things. All that does is cause people to look at the hobby as a bunch of non-stop fighters. It doesn't look good to anyone that might see this outside of the hobby. You can get a lot of search results from this site on Google.

Most people agree that there are certain topics that shouldn't be brought up. Things like religion, political views, ethnicity, making racist comments, hate speech are all things that shouldn't be put out there to discuss or espouse. They can either bring up fighting or are communicating something that shouldn't be tolerated.

Perhaps the location of HMGS cons should be added to that list. That last line, not the previous paragraph is meant to be sarcastic.

I don't want to see the convention threads go from what games are you running to what weapons are you bringing or who do you want to beat on. That is meant to be sarcastic.

Everyone's health is of primary concern. Comfort of guests and sastification is of importance to a business. Unless the right people are contacted though, things won't change.

One of the ironic things about the refurbished tennis barn is that now with the doors around the back of the building it is a bit of a walk. I heard the hotel was shuttling some people in the golf carts. One of the knocks against the Ike was the (flat) walk over to the All Star sports complex. Ironic that. :-)

historygamer – in regards to the walk, if you stay at the Country Inn just down fromThe Host I think you are literally closer to the vendor hall door than from The Host itself. It is just a walk across the grass where the cars were parked behind the vendor area.

If your car is in the back lot of Country Inn it is really close.

As of yestrday morning there wasn't a fence or anything. Not sure how the grass might be with holes, and I wouldn't suggest it if snow covered or really wet because you never know when you might get stuck in mud or a hole.

I noticed that as well.

Well, I am giving the Host a B+ which is up from a D- from CW'17. Let me preface this by saying I no longer stay at the host. I did for over twenty years and put up with everything short of a poltergeist!
Now that there are plenty of new hotels that are only $20 USD more a night and are 700% better, I will never stay there again. I saw the new rooms and they are nothing compared to the neighbors.
However, I am rooting for HMGS to keep the host as a convention site. There is so much room there for gaming, dealers, open play, flea market, painting, eating and socializing that is really is second to none. It seems to be a pretty central location for our group and appears to be better supported by GMs then F-burg (which I will miss).
I thought the food outside Distelfink was better. But there should have been seating there. Guys should not eat on playing tables. N.B. WHAT A DISGRACE THE AMOUNT OF GARBAGE THAT OUR GUYS LEAVE ON THE TABLES & FLOOR! Even though "Song of the South," was on continuous loop in the dealer hall, we do not have slaves cleaning up after us. If our fat slobs can carry food & drink to a table, then our fat slobs should be able to carry it to the trash cans afterwards.
-I love the vision for the Dealer Hall.
-Parking needs to be better.
-New Tables were great!
-Improved lighting was great!
-I wish there was room for open gaming somewhere all day (maybe over Distelfink in the old Theatre).
– The water needs to be replenished more
-They should have had more parking available.
Overall, I had a great con and I think they really are trying to fix the host and I hope we keep it as a convention site. Although, I will never stay there again!

"From what I was told by another individual at the convention is that historygamer is an expert in everything. Whether he can base it with actual facts is another issue though. At least that is what this person told me."

So yet another person who doesn't actually know HGamer.

So yet another person who doesn't actually know HGamer.

It's sad that in the absence of a cogent argument, one can always resort to an ad hominum. Par for the course on TMP.

Lord knows that Historygamer and I have had our disagreements, but it has never resorted to personal attacks.

If any of you met Historygamer in person at a convention and sat down and talked to him face to face rather than via an internet forum, I'd venture to guess the snark towards him I see here would be gone.

Gee, he cares about the hobby and the conventions, what a terrible person he is…………..oh and nice AWI game Saturday night too by the way, great job HG, I enjoyed our talk Friday night, much like I've enjoyed all of them over the years.

I will only quote this:
"I won't stay anywhere that doesn't have Jamesons."

Wish I knew where you were… we always bring 2-4 bottles…

Disco Joe said:

"From what I was told by another individual at the convention is that historygamer is an expert in everything."

Please, please, your friend is being way too generous. You are making me blush.

"Whether he can base it with actual facts is another issue though."

Well, it depends on the subject I guess. Have one in mind, or do you have to defer to your friend for that as well?

"At least that is what this person told me."

You might want to try forming opinions on your own using facts. Come and talk to me personally and we can go from there. But I must admit I know nothing about agriculture (name the movie).

The topic this came out of was the condition and allergic reaction to some at the Host. The posts about it were more than ridiculous. Now, as to my expertise on medical topics – I am not a doctor, but I played one on TV. Seriously, I was in a TV commercial portraying a doctor. So that should give me some credibility on medical matters. :-)

Joe, you had better run back to your friend now (who likely doesn't know me either) and ask him what to say next. :-)

Lord Ashram provides a link to picture of mold at the Host, too bad the date of the post was August 2014! Thanks for the fake news Lord.

I think we are getting off topic here as what is the point of coming to the Con? It's the gaming experience and the Host provides a more than adequate facility to fulfill that need. There are multiple rooms, and the lighting has been improved. With the new tables, score one for the Host and HMGS.

Wyndham is not going to operate a mold infested hotel. Just hope the prices are not going to skyrocket, and torpedo the convention being held there for HMGS.

The Host is under major renovations, just look at the front, roofs, and dealer hall. If the dealer hall is any indication, I'm optimistic on the overall renovation.

After a bad experience myself years ago I choose to stay and eat at other locations. We just booked our reservations for Cold Wars at the Roadway Inn just across the street for $62 USD a night, and our points gave us the second night free. Right in our complex is the Texas Roadhouse, IHOP, Lancaster Brew Pub, Pizza joint, and Applebees.

Went to Fredricksburg for Historicon the first time this past summer. Had fun but will not return, the travel was horrendous, coming from central NJ. Valley Forge could be very good, had an excellent time there the last time. Love Gettysburg but the Ike is really sub-par.

Bottom line…Host is not so bad, in fact it provides us with the gaming experience we are looking for with our friends and family.

Fake news? I dearly hope you are trying to be funny.

My bad on the link; not sure why it pulled up old reviews. I thought I just linked the basic review page. Here are photos and reviews from the last month or so… trust me, the 2014 reviews are MUCH better.

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And let's see what people say? Here, all from the last month or so…

Had I been traveling on my own as I normally do, I would have turned around and left as soon as I got to my room.

There was paint peeling in the bottom of the bathtub and mold in the toilet (from not being cleaned in a while).

2nd worst hotel I have ever stayed in

During the week, no bed linens where changed, the room was never vacuumed, the bathroom floor was never washed, and the sink and tub/shower were never cleaned.The hallway carpeting is filthy, and there actually is masking tape holding up wallpaper and patching holes in the ceiling.

The facility is disgusting!

This place may be beyond redemption.

Disgusting, seedy, poor representation for a beautiful area.

Disqusting sums this place up

What a dump!

I don't know why some wargamers can be such unpleasant know-it-alls sometimes. I get that it is a wargames convention; we can STILL comment on our stay in the hosting hotel, and say that the hotel that the convention is held in is disgusting if that is what we find. It was the worst hotel room I've ever been in, to a degree that I struggle to put into words. I don't care if the hotel is under renovations, I don't care about it being understaffed, I don't care about the gaming spaces being nice, if I am talking about basic cleanliness, and for 130 bucks a night or whatever, it should be clean. It just should be. If you have really low standards thats on you, and if you didn't stay there, I don't know what you have to contribute in the first place outside of "Man, sorry the place was crappy."

I've never been a big fan of the Host as a place to stay because of all the stairs. I quit it altogether when they came up with the 30 day cancellation requirement. (I have since learned this didn't last very long)

I stay elsewhere, but this past show I hung out for a good bit of the weekend at a 3 room connected "suite" in the 300s where some friends of mine were staying. All their rooms were really nice. I saw none of the problems depicted.

I usually come home from the Host mildly I'll, but I think it's mostly cause my friends smoke like chimneys.

Lord Ashram,

You stated that you insist on staying on site. I don't. Big difference on our enjoyment of the con.

You state that you don't care if the gaming area is nice if the hotel is substandard. Again I'll disagree and state that the solution is painfully obvious. Either don't go, or stay elsewhere.

By the way, for all your ranting in a toy soldier board, did you complain at all to Wyndham? It's they that (over)billed you and, by virtue of that, you are funding their make over.

I usually come home from the Host mildly I'll, but I think it's mostly cause my friends smoke like chimneys.

If I'm with smokers, even for one day, I'm sick with breathing issues for at least a week. I feel for you.

You state that you don't care if the gaming area is nice if the hotel is substandard. Again I'll disagree and state that the solution is painfully obvious. Either don't go, or stay elsewhere.

Well said