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desmondo23 Oct 2017 6:15 a.m. PST

I have the detailed OOB from "Napoleon at Dresden" by G. Nafziger, but what I am struggling to find is the strength (in men)of any of the Brigades, Divisions or Corps involved
in the battle. If anyone can point me to a source that could help I would appreciate it

Le Breton23 Oct 2017 7:04 a.m. PST

French, Allies or both ?

desmondo23 Oct 2017 1:39 p.m. PST

French, especially the 15th Italian Division

Le Breton23 Oct 2017 5:16 p.m. PST

Mr. Naziger gives the folllowing for 15 August.
PDF link

His sources :
C. Rousset, La Grande Armee de 1813, Paris, 1892
Frederichs, Geschichte des Herbstfeltzuges 1813, Berlin, 1903
French Archives, Cartons C2 538, 540, 543, & 544


15th Division: Général de division Fontanelli
1st Brigade: Général de brigade Martel
Staff/1st Italian Line Regiment (5/5)
3/1st Italian Line Regiment (19/515)
4/1st Italian Line Regiment (16/502)
Staff/4th Italian Line Regiment (11/20)
2/4th Italian Line Regiment (21/427)
3/4th Italian Line Regiment (22/435)
4/4th Italian Line Regiment (21/423)
2nd Brigade: Général de brigade Saint-Andrea
Staff/1st Italian Légère Regiment (9/17)
2/1st Italian Légère Regiment (18/712)
3/1st Italian Légère Regiment (18/708)
4/1st Italian Légère Regiment (21/694)
3/6th Italian Line Regiment (17/446)
4/6th Italian Line Regiment (15/439)
3rd Brigade: Général de brigade Moroni
1st Milan Guard Battalion (23/553)
2/7th Italian Line Regiment (18/417)
3/7th Italian Line Regiment (17/415)
4/7th Italian Line Regiment (18/417)
Artillery
1st Italian Foot Battery (5/103)
13th Italian Foot Battery (5/105)
Italian 5th Train Company (3/132)
Italian 6th Train Company (2/137)
Det. Italian 6th (bis) Train Company (0/13)

Le Breton23 Oct 2017 5:27 p.m. PST

And he gives this for 15 September
PDF link

Sources
French National Archives, Carton AFIV*-1344
French Army Archives, Carton C2-543 & 544, XP-3


5th Division: Général de division Fontanelli
1st Brigade: Général de brigade Moroni
1st Milan Guard Battalion (13/237)
2/1st Italian Légère Regiment (18/268)
3/1st Italian Légère Regiment (12/250)
4/1st Italian Légère Regiment (12/255)
2nd Brigade: Général de brigade Martel
3/1st Italian Line Regiment (11/222)
4/1st Italian Line Regiment (6/205)
2/4th Italian Line Regiment (19/175)
3/4th Italian Line Regiment (6/105)
4/4th Italian Line Regiment (6/123)
3rd Brigade: Général de brigade Saint-Andrea
3/6th Italian Line Regiment (14/146)
4/6th Italian Line Regiment (6/187)
2/7th Italian Line Regiment (15/115)
3/7th Italian Line Regiment (12/104)
4/7th Italian Line Regiment (10/123)
Artillery: Colonel Armandi
1st Italian Foot Battery (3/60)
13th Italian Foot Battery (4/65)
Italian 5th Train Company (3/65)
Italian 6th Train Company (2/98)

Allan F Mountford24 Oct 2017 4:21 a.m. PST

For the French you could use the 15 August numbers adjusted for the following losses to estimate strengths at 06 September:

22 August 1813 at Pirna
III Cavalry Corps (Arrighi) suffered light losses, probably negligible.

23 August 1813 at Gross Beeren
IV Corps (Bertrand) 15th Division (Fontanelli) and VII Corps (Reynier) 32nd Division (Durutte) suffered 1,100 casualties. The remaining Saxons in 24th Division (Lecoq) and 25th Division (Sahr) suffered 2,100 casualties. 14 guns were lost spread over all these Divisions.

Hope this helps.

Murvihill24 Oct 2017 8:21 a.m. PST

I always wanted to paint the Milan City Guard battalion, but back when I was painting Napoleonics in a big way I couldn't find a picture or organization.

Prince of Essling Supporting Member of TMP24 Oct 2017 9:26 a.m. PST

@Murvihill

See TMP link

Prince of Essling Supporting Member of TMP24 Oct 2017 12:02 p.m. PST

Page 449 et seq in Barthold von Quistorp "Geschichte der Nord Armee in Jahre 1813" has:

IV Corps (36 battalions, 8 squadrons 64 guns)
Wurttemburg Division (1 Sept) 5,639 infantry, 602 cavalry
Division Fontanelli 5,800 men (?12 September)
Division Morand 4,000

VII Corps (4 September)
Division Durutte 10 battalions 4,600 men 10 guns
Poles 2 battalions 1,200 men 4 guns
Division Lecoq 9 1/4 battalions 5,136 men 15 guns
Division Sahr 8 battalions 3,981 men 20 guns
Cavalry 13 squadrons 1,361 men 9 guns

XII Corps (31 August – 29 battalions, 22 squadrons, 58 guns)
13 Division 4,263 men
14 Division 7,199 men
29 Division 4,356 men
Cavalry brigade 1,527 men (1,569 horses)
Polish cavalry brigade 908 men (636 horses)

3rd Cavalry corps (20/23 August)
5,100 men in 27 squadrons plus 18 guns

Unfortunately the electronic copy is far from perfect (bits of pages cut-off) so details on the Allied army is not so easy to discern…

Prince of Essling Supporting Member of TMP24 Oct 2017 12:34 p.m. PST

Much better online copy of von Quistorp volume dealing with Dennewitz at PDF link

von Winterfeldt24 Oct 2017 11:01 p.m. PST

Prince of Essling

Many thanks excellent

About Dennewitz – 2 very nice lenghty PDF see

link

you will find in the forum discussions two pdf links about this campaign, nice maps and illustrations

Murvihill25 Oct 2017 8:56 a.m. PST

Prince of Essling: Yes, it's easy to find now, but in the mid-80's all I had was a sentence in Pivka and no unit strength or organization. Heck, half my Italians are in Bardin uniforms. I just didn't know any better at the time. The internet…

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