"Dennewitz 1813" Topic
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desmondo | 23 Oct 2017 7:15 a.m. PST |
I have the detailed OOB from "Napoleon at Dresden" by G. Nafziger, but what I am struggling to find is the strength (in men)of any of the Brigades, Divisions or Corps involved in the battle. If anyone can point me to a source that could help I would appreciate it |
Le Breton | 23 Oct 2017 8:04 a.m. PST |
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desmondo | 23 Oct 2017 2:39 p.m. PST |
French, especially the 15th Italian Division |
Le Breton | 23 Oct 2017 6:16 p.m. PST |
Mr. Naziger gives the folllowing for 15 August. PDF link His sources : C. Rousset, La Grande Armee de 1813, Paris, 1892 Frederichs, Geschichte des Herbstfeltzuges 1813, Berlin, 1903 French Archives, Cartons C2 538, 540, 543, & 544 15th Division: Général de division Fontanelli 1st Brigade: Général de brigade Martel Staff/1st Italian Line Regiment (5/5) 3/1st Italian Line Regiment (19/515) 4/1st Italian Line Regiment (16/502) Staff/4th Italian Line Regiment (11/20) 2/4th Italian Line Regiment (21/427) 3/4th Italian Line Regiment (22/435) 4/4th Italian Line Regiment (21/423) 2nd Brigade: Général de brigade Saint-Andrea Staff/1st Italian Légère Regiment (9/17) 2/1st Italian Légère Regiment (18/712) 3/1st Italian Légère Regiment (18/708) 4/1st Italian Légère Regiment (21/694) 3/6th Italian Line Regiment (17/446) 4/6th Italian Line Regiment (15/439) 3rd Brigade: Général de brigade Moroni 1st Milan Guard Battalion (23/553) 2/7th Italian Line Regiment (18/417) 3/7th Italian Line Regiment (17/415) 4/7th Italian Line Regiment (18/417) Artillery 1st Italian Foot Battery (5/103) 13th Italian Foot Battery (5/105) Italian 5th Train Company (3/132) Italian 6th Train Company (2/137) Det. Italian 6th (bis) Train Company (0/13)
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Le Breton | 23 Oct 2017 6:27 p.m. PST |
And he gives this for 15 September PDF link Sources French National Archives, Carton AFIV*-1344 French Army Archives, Carton C2-543 & 544, XP-3 5th Division: Général de division Fontanelli 1st Brigade: Général de brigade Moroni 1st Milan Guard Battalion (13/237) 2/1st Italian Légère Regiment (18/268) 3/1st Italian Légère Regiment (12/250) 4/1st Italian Légère Regiment (12/255) 2nd Brigade: Général de brigade Martel 3/1st Italian Line Regiment (11/222) 4/1st Italian Line Regiment (6/205) 2/4th Italian Line Regiment (19/175) 3/4th Italian Line Regiment (6/105) 4/4th Italian Line Regiment (6/123) 3rd Brigade: Général de brigade Saint-Andrea 3/6th Italian Line Regiment (14/146) 4/6th Italian Line Regiment (6/187) 2/7th Italian Line Regiment (15/115) 3/7th Italian Line Regiment (12/104) 4/7th Italian Line Regiment (10/123) Artillery: Colonel Armandi 1st Italian Foot Battery (3/60) 13th Italian Foot Battery (4/65) Italian 5th Train Company (3/65) Italian 6th Train Company (2/98)
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Allan F Mountford | 24 Oct 2017 5:21 a.m. PST |
For the French you could use the 15 August numbers adjusted for the following losses to estimate strengths at 06 September: 22 August 1813 at Pirna III Cavalry Corps (Arrighi) suffered light losses, probably negligible. 23 August 1813 at Gross Beeren IV Corps (Bertrand) 15th Division (Fontanelli) and VII Corps (Reynier) 32nd Division (Durutte) suffered 1,100 casualties. The remaining Saxons in 24th Division (Lecoq) and 25th Division (Sahr) suffered 2,100 casualties. 14 guns were lost spread over all these Divisions. Hope this helps. |
Murvihill | 24 Oct 2017 9:21 a.m. PST |
I always wanted to paint the Milan City Guard battalion, but back when I was painting Napoleonics in a big way I couldn't find a picture or organization. |
Prince of Essling | 24 Oct 2017 10:26 a.m. PST |
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Prince of Essling | 24 Oct 2017 1:02 p.m. PST |
Page 449 et seq in Barthold von Quistorp "Geschichte der Nord Armee in Jahre 1813" has: IV Corps (36 battalions, 8 squadrons 64 guns) Wurttemburg Division (1 Sept) 5,639 infantry, 602 cavalry Division Fontanelli 5,800 men (?12 September) Division Morand 4,000 VII Corps (4 September) Division Durutte 10 battalions 4,600 men 10 guns Poles 2 battalions 1,200 men 4 guns Division Lecoq 9 1/4 battalions 5,136 men 15 guns Division Sahr 8 battalions 3,981 men 20 guns Cavalry 13 squadrons 1,361 men 9 guns XII Corps (31 August – 29 battalions, 22 squadrons, 58 guns) 13 Division 4,263 men 14 Division 7,199 men 29 Division 4,356 men Cavalry brigade 1,527 men (1,569 horses) Polish cavalry brigade 908 men (636 horses) 3rd Cavalry corps (20/23 August) 5,100 men in 27 squadrons plus 18 guns Unfortunately the electronic copy is far from perfect (bits of pages cut-off) so details on the Allied army is not so easy to discern… |
Prince of Essling | 24 Oct 2017 1:34 p.m. PST |
Much better online copy of von Quistorp volume dealing with Dennewitz at PDF link |
von Winterfeldt | 25 Oct 2017 12:01 a.m. PST |
Prince of Essling Many thanks excellent About Dennewitz – 2 very nice lenghty PDF see link you will find in the forum discussions two pdf links about this campaign, nice maps and illustrations |
Murvihill | 25 Oct 2017 9:56 a.m. PST |
Prince of Essling: Yes, it's easy to find now, but in the mid-80's all I had was a sentence in Pivka and no unit strength or organization. Heck, half my Italians are in Bardin uniforms. I just didn't know any better at the time. The internet… |
desmondo | 27 Nov 2017 6:52 a.m. PST |
thank you all for the links and information. Some of which is totally new to me – the two pdf's from von Winterfeldt are amazing. |
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