Tango01 | 18 Oct 2017 9:32 p.m. PST |
… had the White Army won the civil war of 1919? Interesting thread here… link Amicalement Armand
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14Bore | 19 Oct 2017 2:24 a.m. PST |
The world might have a few hundred million more people in it if nothing else. |
ZULUPAUL | 19 Oct 2017 2:31 a.m. PST |
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Lion in the Stars | 19 Oct 2017 3:13 a.m. PST |
Unlikely for the US to get into the war in Vietnam (because Ho Chi Minh wouldn't have been communist), probably a unified Korea after the end of WW2 (since the US and Russia would have been closer allies), Mao would still have been in charge of China but likely wouldn't have been as aggressively communist… |
GildasFacit | 19 Oct 2017 4:27 a.m. PST |
The Whites are in charge now – does the world feel any safer to you ? |
Irish Marine | 19 Oct 2017 6:31 a.m. PST |
I really wouldn't compare the current Govt to the Whites of 1918. |
Garand | 19 Oct 2017 6:48 a.m. PST |
Agree, especially when you have a boss that is openly nostalgic about the old Soviet Union… Damon. |
Pan Marek | 19 Oct 2017 6:49 a.m. PST |
If the "Whites" had won, the important question for the history of the world would be: Which Whites win? |
Tango01 | 19 Oct 2017 9:43 a.m. PST |
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Mardaddy | 19 Oct 2017 11:18 a.m. PST |
Which Whites win? That would be the crux. As a matter of history – when chaos and disorder reign, it is always the most organized and prepared that end up prevailing, so whichever faction (of however many there were) that was able to maintain internal order and was prepared would likely come out on top. |
robert piepenbrink | 19 Oct 2017 1:33 p.m. PST |
Hmph. 14Bore is right, of course. WORLD history becomes so unimaginably different, it's hard to speculate. Germany, Italy and Japan will still go into the 1920's and 1930's feeling they deserved better than they had, but that won't necessarily lead to anything resembling WWII as we know it. The colonial empire will still be unstable too. RUSSIAN history might be a bit more predictable. Only the Bolshies were crazy enough to wipe out private farms, and build a hideously inefficient industrial system, and only they wanted to wipe out all other political parties. Say something like the Stolypin land reforms, a continuance of the--fastest in the world--pre-WWI growing industrial economy. Probably a limited monarchy with the Cadets (Constitutional Democrats) and some sort of Socialist coalition as the major political parties, and the Imperial Army as a sort of "guarantor" of the state. Something like 1950's or 1960's Turkey, but with a higher level of education and economic development. Where it might have gone after that--well, I don't know where we go from here, either. |
Jcfrog | 20 Oct 2017 1:34 a.m. PST |
There was a letter which had a bit of a debate sparkle recently in Germany, ww1 and all, from high ranking minister or the like, 1914, stating that Russia if not checked would by far outrun Germany in any domain by 1920. I believe, (maybe the what if needing Stolypin still alive too?) it would have bern the world major power. It had all for it. Including faith in itself and its history. |
Blutarski | 20 Oct 2017 6:49 a.m. PST |
+1 Mr Piepenbrink. Not many people are aware of Russia's economic trajectory in the early decades of the 20th century ….. over and above the fact that Russia was at that time (IIRC) also the world's leading grain exporter. B |
Pan Marek | 20 Oct 2017 7:53 a.m. PST |
There were Whites who were unreconstructed monarchists. hat if they were the party that ended up dominating the post civil war government? Why is it assumed that moderate forces would have dominated? While Piepenbrink outlines an informed, possible scenario, there is nothing that says such was a given. |
Winston Smith | 20 Oct 2017 12:06 p.m. PST |
Just the other day I was doing a Wikipedia "click on the next link" game, and wandered into the Russian Old Believers. (Don't ask me where I started. It could have been Taylor Swift.) To outsiders, it was a bewildering melange of, to us, unimportant nonsense. But to the Russians, which fingers to use, and how they were angled when making the Sign of the Cross mattered a great deal. And they were reclaiming their civil rights pre 1914. My point, and I do have one, is that the tragic and torturous hair splitting of the 1920s and 1930s were not unfamiliar to Russia. Any predictions could be both 100% wrong and at the same time 100% correct. Any predictions would be totally based on your own ideology. |
Sandinista | 20 Oct 2017 1:41 p.m. PST |
If such were to have happened would the US end up fighting the British Empire as in war plan red? |