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Earl of the North08 Oct 2017 7:58 a.m. PST

Will this lead to another storm of Free (or Mercy for) "insert name" topics or are we getting used to Tangos semi regular stints in the DH?

TMP link

robert piepenbrink Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2017 8:13 a.m. PST

We did that one in advance. It's "Free Tango III" I think. Might have been "Mercy for Tango III."

Hafen von Schlockenberg Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2017 8:14 a.m. PST

I was going to suggest a warning,rather than immediate Dawghousing, but too late.

So I'll make a suggestion to Tango instead: reread the FAQ before your daily posting session.*

Yeah,every day would be a good idea.


Robert: right.

TMP link

So that's taken care of. Time for someone to start preparing No. IV.


*I realize this doesn't cover every secret Star Chamber offense:

TMP link

But what can you do.

Personal PS: Zoneofcontrol, where are you?!

MiniatureWargaming dot com08 Oct 2017 8:30 a.m. PST

They can't leave him there for long. The number of posts will decline by 75%.

Personal logo David Manley Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2017 8:43 a.m. PST

First step to the DH that is :)

princeman Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2017 9:22 a.m. PST

How long this time and again can we see the charges?

Hafen von Schlockenberg Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2017 9:26 a.m. PST

See the Earl's link.

FABET01 Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2017 9:50 a.m. PST

Maybe he likes it in there. Did Bill got him an espresso machine?

KeithRK08 Oct 2017 9:57 a.m. PST

At this point does he just let himself in there?

Earl of the North08 Oct 2017 10:09 a.m. PST

I assume from the quote that the website Tango linked to was a website where you can illegally download ebooks. Which is probably unsurprisingly a punishable offence……I should really read the FAQ myself since I cannot remember the last time I read it.

Slightly ironic that providing a link was his crime this time and not providing a link was his previous crime.

Personal logo The Beast Rampant Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2017 10:21 a.m. PST

At this point does he just let himself in there?
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Personal logo Morning Scout Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2017 10:23 a.m. PST

Sorry, but the rules around here seem pretty easy to manage. The Dog House is a rather benign punishment and all the time posting about seems rather overdone.

For all those that seem to think they should have some input into how this site is manage, policed or otherwise operated I would say too bad. No where on this site is such a thing conveyed a part of being a visitor here.

Even those of us who choose to be a supporting member are given no additional rights as to management, policing or input. We can support what is here or not, "supporting" being the crucial term here. Don't like it, don't support it, not happy with it, don't visit.

The editors site, the editors rules and we are but guests here. The editor has certainly allowed open discussion on editorial practice and has most likely taken notice off it, but he can equally ignore it as the ranting of parties with no standing in regards to site ownership and management.

I will take a few people being unable to post from time to time (if the editor deems it so for whatever reason) in return for the availability of this site.

TGerritsen Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2017 10:28 a.m. PST

Remember that typically someone isn't doghoused unless the complaint button is pushed. At this point the doghousings appear to be, at least to me, someone deliberately following Tango to get him doghoused. Right it wrong he may be, but it feels a bit more like harassment at this point than good internet citizenry.

Legion 408 Oct 2017 10:38 a.m. PST

I see the charges that got Tango DH'd … I just don't know what to say anymore about anything around here …

Earl of the North08 Oct 2017 10:50 a.m. PST

Honestly Legion, taken on its own I don't really see the problem with Bill not wanting links to illegal websites on TMP. Its the fact that its Tango's third DH in such a short space of time that raises some questions.

It does seem that Tango is being watched more closely now then in the past for punishable offences, however Tango also has a hand in this with his own actions giving the ammunition that leads to these DH's.

Legion 408 Oct 2017 10:59 a.m. PST

I do understand where you are coming from … But as you posted

It does seem that Tango is being watched more closely now then in the past for punishable offences,
I have been DH'd many, many times, sometimes at very close intervals. So I get it …

But in this case I wouldn't have known that was an "illegal website" … so …

Hafen von Schlockenberg Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2017 11:01 a.m. PST

I don't know about being "watched more closely". Maybe.

But aside from the fact that there's a whole separate section in the FAQ about piracy ("TMP is a 'no piracy zone'"), the wargaming community is a small one, with lots of personal relationships. It's no wonder people are sensitive about that kind of thing,and tend to react quickly.

Dang Beast,you beat me to it! Otis was the first thing I thought of.

Personal logo The Beast Rampant Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2017 11:34 a.m. PST

Dang Beast,you beat me to it! Otis was the first thing I thought of.

I know, right? Gawd bless Andy G!

fullerena08 Oct 2017 11:46 a.m. PST

I'm sure other people did report them, but I haven't been following TMP too closely. I saw the linked tangopost – the title was interesting to me, despite the poster! – saw the content, and called him a Bleeped texting idiot (in slightly more polite terms) for linking to… it wasn't even piracy, really, it was one of those ad & malware sites that promise downloads and only deliver infections, while begging for your card details for "premium access" which they promise will make the real download available. It was an obvious scam, and obvious piracy. I then hit the report link, because even if the post was to stay up, the link should be removed for safety reasons.

Then I saw he'd done it again, and repeated myself.

Those links were a hazard to anyone who doesn't regularly browse the internet with decent adblocking and probably noscript, and Tango deserves what he got for being such an idiot.

No, I was not lead to them from elsewhere.

Edit: Full disclosure – I then went to vent about it on /hwg/, which actually does have regular and prolific piracy, although the actual gaming community there is more interesting than people sharing scans of 70s board games. I did not froth at any time.

Lonkka1Actual08 Oct 2017 11:48 a.m. PST

It is hard not to watch Tango closely; the sheer amount he "posts" is stupendous.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2017 11:48 a.m. PST

First, you do not need to have someone push the complaint button. The Editors are perfectly capable of monitoring this site on their own. So, we do not need to have any conspiracy theories about a malign group of one having it in for Tango01.

Second, there was more than one thread linking to "Pirate" sites. And the threads have all been nuked, as they need to be. Does anyone really think that they should be left up as "evidence"?
One of those sites was infected with malware. So I've heard. I'm not dumb enough to stick my hand in a furnace that I've been warned about.
We have had automatic DH in the past for advocating pirating figures. These sites are even more clear cut violations. One even bragged about it.

Third. All DHing over the weekend get a 5 day sentence.

Can we please stop this nonsense of Tango01 being harassed and picked on? As much as I hate to defend The Editor, his hand is being forced. He has no choice.

d effinger08 Oct 2017 12:09 p.m. PST

Maybe it's a good thing. He might learn a lesson… or not.

Earl of the North08 Oct 2017 12:14 p.m. PST

I pushed the complaint button on myself when I posted this as I ended up with three topics and they very quickly removed the other two so that may also be a factor since having part time editors may be speeding up enforcement.

daler240D Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2017 12:30 p.m. PST

The notion that we are "guests" here is a crock of crap. While I am sure the editor is not minting money here with this site, he IS making money by the fact that we come here. So the relationship is quite a bit more nuanced then us just receiving his hospitality and that symbiosis is the point that makes peoples opinions relative.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2017 12:42 p.m. PST

I was going to suggest a warning,rather than immediate Dawghousing, but too late.

Nobody is entitled to a warning before a DHing. Particularly when one has been around so long. The rules and faq are pretty clear.

TGerritsen Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2017 12:53 p.m. PST

Winston, you doth protest too much.

I'm perfectly allowed to suspect what I want to suspect. Piracy has no place on this site, (though oddly IP theft seems to be mostly ok). He deserved this if it's a pirate site (I won't go there to check either). I trust the editors to make the call when they do.

However, Bill has stated many times that they don't have time to check everything and rely on complaints to see if there is an issue. That's hardly conspiracy.

That's why I suspect someone having an issue with Tango and being fast on the complaintutton draw.

14Bore08 Oct 2017 1:32 p.m. PST

I ran into his offence but saw it was a trap and ran away.
You put as much up as he does you're bound to get bit

Personal logo PrivateSnafu Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2017 1:45 p.m. PST

So if I post a link to The Pirate Bay I go to the dawghouse?

If I suggest you go rob a bank do I go to the dawghouse?

@fullerena

"Tango deserves what he got for being such an idiot"

hmmm, interesting, nobody follows the rules perfectly do they?

MajorB08 Oct 2017 1:59 p.m. PST

You put as much up as he does you're bound to get bit

Not if you know anything about piracy and illegal copying.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2017 2:02 p.m. PST

I can name dozens of TMP members who need no constant monitoring. If anyone of these committed an offense, a [!] would probably be in order.
I suspect the Usual Suspects (myself included) have a good deal of "You better keep an eye on this guy" type scrutiny.

Plus, there is the generous, uncompensated, monitoring of TMP on "that treacherous hive of scum and villainy" site that is more than willing to blow the whistle. grin

Look. I like Armand. But if he goes right back to starting 50 threads per day, he has to expect that The Editors will be keeping an eye on him.
Hyperactive complainers whose lives revolve around reporting people, naming no names, are not needed.
Melvin Purvis did not need to be reminded to keep an eye on John Dillinger. grin let's just say he was on his mind.

Dadster Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2017 2:06 p.m. PST

Whether paying a subscription or not, we are indeed guests of site owner.

Whether we choose to read the terms and conditions or not we do agree to them when we use the site, subscriber or not.

I have never seen such a flutter over a guy being in violation of T&C. Sheesh, really move on to another topic.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2017 2:12 p.m. PST
Buck21508 Oct 2017 2:19 p.m. PST

What gives? After I "Un-stifle" Tango, he is back in the hoosegow! So, if you are in the ‘house five times or more, does that qualify you as an "Ace"? If so, Tango is on his way…

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian08 Oct 2017 2:19 p.m. PST

…the website Tango linked to was a website where you can illegally download ebooks…

He actually posted two topics about two different books, available illegally. One was a Caliver Books title.

Earl of the North08 Oct 2017 3:44 p.m. PST

Which puts a different spin on the claim that Tango is being dawghoused unfairly, you could argue that he should be punished for both.

I say this as someone who has supported Tango in the past, if these are just mistakes rather than him purposely posting stuff that breaks the rules, then he needs to spend more time researching what he is posting.

Hafen von Schlockenberg Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2017 4:13 p.m. PST

Concurrent sentences.

benglish Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2017 4:29 p.m. PST

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Irish Marine Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2017 5:29 p.m. PST

Instead of dog housing him why not just nuke the post with the alleged illegal links.

CorroPredo Supporting Member of TMP08 Oct 2017 6:04 p.m. PST

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basileus6608 Oct 2017 9:50 p.m. PST

Usually, I defend Raul. In this case, he was wrong. Problem with posting links to illegal download sites is double: first, because it is inmoral and a "putada" for the author and the publishers; second, because it jeopardises TMP by making it liable if the editors don't nuke the thread ASAP.

In other ocassions -the infamous 'Rape Scandal'- I thought that the editors were being unfair. This time, however, they are correct. Anyone else would have been equally DHd.

nevinsrip Sponsoring Member of TMP08 Oct 2017 11:34 p.m. PST

Another period of relief from the blizzard of crap.

Ahhhhh…….priceless!!

Legion 409 Oct 2017 8:10 a.m. PST

Instead of dog housing him why not just nuke the post with the alleged illegal links.
thumbs up

fantasque09 Oct 2017 9:23 a.m. PST

I hope he will learn to read his links before future compulsive copypasta posting but I severely doubt it. He has paid no attention to past constructive criticism, hand slapping or flat out complaint. I don't regret putting him on stifle.
And is he not allegedly a lawyer iirc? double shame on him!

fullerena09 Oct 2017 9:45 a.m. PST

Since some people really want to give him the benefit of the doubt, I'll just quote the portion he quoted in each thread:

"Uniforms Of Russian Army During The Napoleonic War…"

… Vol.12: Artillery: Foot, Horse And Garrison Artillery: Volume 17 (Soldiers, Weapons & Uniforms).

"You can download this ebook, i provide downloads as a pdf, kindle, word, txt, ppt, rar and zip. A book is very important in life. Life without book makes many people cannot know about any attractive things in the world. Hightechnology in this modern era makes many people can easy to get many books that they want and love in online book. The online book has same function looks like offline book. One of the best books is the book entitled Uniforms of Russian army during the Napoleonic war vol.12: Artillery: Foot, Horse and Garrison Artillery: Volume 17 (Soldiers, Weapons & Uniforms) that gives the readers good inspiration…"

"The Armies & Uniforms Of Marlborough's Wars"

"You can download this ebook, i provide downloads as a pdf, kindle, word, txt, ppt, rar and zip. A book is very important in life. Life without book makes many people cannot know about any attractive things in the world. Hightechnology in this modern era makes many people can easy to get many books that they want and love in online book…"

That's from the google cache of the posts here, I just wanted to let people see exactly what quality content Tango was posting. He cut his quote a little short on the second one, it did go on exactly as the first, only with a different title substituted by the bot.

"Instead of dog housing him why not just nuke the post with the alleged illegal links."

No, just ban him for posting something so blatantly stupid. At least some punishment, not just deleting the threads and letting him continue as normal.

Let's have another look at the linked site… well, you don't, I'm not linking it, but let's just see what it said:

This book is also rich of knowledge. It makes thereaders are interesting to read this online book. When you open The Armies & Uniforms of Marlborough's Wars you willfind the attractive content. This book is delivered in simple word. It makes the readers are easy to know the meaning of the content of this online book The Armies & Uniforms of Marlborough's Wars When you read The Armies & Uniforms of Marlborough's Wars you will find attractive content that cannot be found in other online books. The content of this book is reallyawesome. This book gives the real examples about the real life in the world.

A short description :

Latest hardcover combined edition – incorporates both previously published volumes 1 and 2 with new information.

How It's Work ?
1. Register a free 1 month Trial Account.
2. Download as many books as you like (Personal use).
3. Cancel the membership at any time if not satisfied.
4. Your credit card will NOT BE CHARGED until your free trial end.
Please Register & Join Membership

I'm sure anyone here would instantly recognise this as a scam.

Incidentally, if anyone was worried about finding actual pirated books on that site, I did a little experiment – I used the site's search function to have a look for a book I was pretty sure wouldn't be there, and surprisingly enough, no results. Checked again today, and they were offering FREE DOWNLOAD with FREE TRIAL ACCOUNT your credit card will NOT BE CHARGED, complete with photos taken from an abe books listing or somewhere. I guess it's true – if you search it, they will come. Or they will generate the page and start feeding it into google's search index to pick up idiots looking for pirated books. Or something like that.

I'd stifle him, but he's often literally 50% of the threads on the front page, and some of them are interesting. I mean, I originally clicked the first thread I saw because it was interesting! I may not have high hopes for the average tangopost, but there's enough that I view his threads every now and then.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP09 Oct 2017 9:51 a.m. PST

Legion 4, Irish Marine.
I am reminded of a mother in the store the other day, whose baby was squalling in the shopping cart.
She whispered at the baby "You are acting inappropriately." Had I used an exclamation point there, it might have implied a sense of urgency in her voice which was lacking. I don't think I need to say that the baby did not stop screaming.

On TMP, the DH is at most, an exclamation point. As the teacher said to Ralphie and the class in Christmas Story, "Think about what you have done." Yeah that works. I don't know about you guys, but when I misbehave, I need to be hit in the head with a shovel at least twice.

Disco Joe09 Oct 2017 10:15 a.m. PST

"And is he not allegedly a lawyer iirc?"

Not sure if he is a lawyer or not but I do remember him stating that he was the CEO of a number of companies in Argentina and has 26 secretaries working for him when I mentioned about one of his posts that the word was not spelled correctly.
What does surprise me though is that if you are the CEO of a number of companies where exactly would you have the time to post as much as he does. But then again having never been a CEO maybe that is possible.
I do know that he doesn't check to see if someone has already posted a particular item or topic but will check back to see if anyone has replied to what he has posted.
Now I am not attacking him. I am just pointing out some things that I have observed over the years because a few of his posts about new products have been helpful to me.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP09 Oct 2017 10:17 a.m. PST

@fullerena

The level of literacy on that site is that of the idiot nephew of the Russian Mob Boss who gave him the job because his beloved sister told him that Little Sergei was good at English.
That alone should have been a clue.

BTW, he isn't making it up. I read it too before the link was taken down by The Editors.

Look. I am the least anti-Tango01 person here. I like him, we are fellow GoT nerds, etc.
But enough is enough, Armand. You are breaking the rules, and they are not rules just because Bill likes to be an old fuddy-duddy.
IT'S THE LAW. THOSE SITES ARE DANGEROUS. And I don't want TMP shut down because mega posters can't be bothered to follow rules.

Personal logo jdginaz Supporting Member of TMP09 Oct 2017 10:23 a.m. PST

"Instead of dog housing him why not just nuke the post with the alleged illegal links."

It's really very simple why, Tango needs to learn to stop violating the rules. Unfortunately he doesn't appear to be learning the lesson. Maybe a period of locking his account would be in order next time. That might finally get his attention.

Hafen von Schlockenberg Supporting Member of TMP09 Oct 2017 11:48 a.m. PST

Ahem--"[SHE] isn't making it up".

I read it too,BTW.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP09 Oct 2017 11:53 a.m. PST

Oh? My mistake. My apologies.

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