"MERCY FOR TANGO" Topic

Then it might be best to make sure the editor sees and understands it. I didn't, but I'm glad to have learned it. Have you read that story, yet?

Whinging may not be the most constructive approach?

I hope that being from Lincolnshire isn't the same the as condoning rape? My family is from Hampshire and Berkshire, and I'm pretty sure that rape isn't a cool subject there, CC.

I really do mean the best, CC. I'm just thinking of what my daughter went through, and I know she's not the only one.

Maybe it was just the lynch mob comment, which is probably more offensive to an american culturally.

I've never heard yellowbellys being used as a nickname before…..maybe its more of a local thing.

It's a bit odd, but maybe not, that on The Site that Must Not Be Named, they hate TMP and Tango01 almost equally. They equate Bill and Armand, even speculating that they are the same person.
Yet we see that the only DHings on this thread are Tango01 supporters, or those defending the indefensible diorama.
Dan, you better watch yourself!

And That Site is currently unreachable.

In any event, being DHed is no big deal. I've lost track of how many times I've been in the can. It's mildly annoying. That's all. Learning to navigate the pits is part of the deal.

Hopefully this thread will now calm down and fade into the background.

Its only three days now before Tango returns with eight days worth of topics.

Wulfgar,

I think there's been a misunderstanding. Under no circumstance do I condone any rape.

Dan

"Have you stopped beating your wife?"
That's what this thread has degenerated into.

Yeah, 5,200 hits later …

Dan

Lol. Well I'm all for the DH. There are times when it's obvious that I need a time out. I think I'm almost to that point.

Dan

Time for a calming tea break,then. Try the thread I PM'd. Should put you in a jollier mood. : )

link

Thank you for the link Dan, there are several theories on it about where the nickname came from that I hadn't heard before.There is one about workers toiling in the mustard fields having their bellies turned yellow by the crop, but I've always thought of mustard as a Norfolk crop and not associated with Lincs much. I think our esteemed Editor mistook the colloquial nickname as some kind of insult perhaps? When in fact it is a badge of pride.There aint that many true 'Yellerbellies' left theyuz daays maate.(Thats as near the dialect as I can get). I suppose I could throw in a few words of true dialect, but since no one apart from maybe foxweasel would recognise what they mean I fear I might end up in the DH as well!! lol. I'm fair ter middlin' by the way in case anyone was wondering about my health..

Hmmm ? IIRC, in old American Wild West Lore, you know cowboys, gunfighters, etc. To be called yellow/"yella" or some such version, including yellow/"yella belly" … Was meant to be saying someone was a coward, displayed no courage or bravery, etc. And it was no badge of pride. Just the opposite. But I was not there … so …

E.g.: To quote Doc Holiday[IIRC Dennis Quaid] in the movie "Tombstone", "I'll be your Huckleberry !" … A term not normally used in today's US jargon … so … but again … I was not there …

19th century slang which was popularized more recently by the movie Tombstone. Means "I'm the man you're looking for". Nowadays it's usually used as a response to a threat or challenge, as in the movie.

Regardless I think Foxweasel should be freed along with Tango …

Dan, I've never believed otherwise regarding that topic. Its just that the logic of the thread was taking some strange twists and turns.

Best wishes,
Tony

Tony,

This thread has been a truly weird ride.

Dan
PS. Maybe I just need to catch up on a lot of sleep.

Is it too soon to suggest a tiny diorama of Tango in the dawghouse? ;)

Val Kilmer was Doc Holiday.

Isn't it ironic, we can easily scroll down to the "Mercy for Tango" thread because … there aren't a gazillion Tango threads pushing it off the front page!

(Just pointing this out for amusement sake. No hating involved, I promise)

GF,you're a card!

Val Kilmer was Doc Holiday.

DOH ! Yes, Quaid was Holiday in "Wyatt Earp" ! I've seen them both so many times they meld together.

As far as "Yellow Belly", I have it from a very reliable source that in reference to the original comment …

"us yellowbellies should stick together" it's what we call ourselves in Lincolnshire, supposedly it comes from the yellow facings of the 10th of Foot, later the Lincolnshire Regiment.

So I think once again Fox was unjustly DH'd. I request Fox be released ASAP …

E.g. :

What if the two people in that particular exchange (Volleyfire and Foxweasel) were both "Yellowbellies" from Lincolnshire?

Plus e.g. : In the state of Ohio the USA. We who live here are referred to as "Buckeyes" … If I called someone a Buckeye, it's not derogatory. It's just local jargon.

E.g.: There might be some misunderstanding if I said, "Dan you Big brown Buckeye!" … Dan shouldn't be upset. Even if he was not from Ohio. He'd probably tell me he's not from Ohio !

I need to know.

Is the term "yellowbellies" being applies to the supporters of Free Tango or the people who want him banned?

I need to know.

I am planning on sending him a bottle of wine to celebrate his release or some consolatory gift.

Otto

Neither really.

Well, it seems that both Foxweasel and Volleyfire come from Lincolnshire in the U.K. where the locals call proudly themselves "Yellow-bellies".

The two of them were going back and forth on the thread, then a third person disagreed with both, and so Foxweasel said that the "Yellow-bellies" (meaning himself and Valleyfire) should stick together against any/all others, including the few who were specifically going after Tango1 like a lynch mob.

"Yellowbellys (sic) should stick together. I don't think it'll sway the Tango lynch mob though."

Foxweasel wasn't calling the rest of us (non-Lincolnshire people) in the thread "Yellow-bellies" and, if he had, his entire comment would have made absolutely no sense any way you looked at it.

But someone was in a rush to get at Foxweasel and hit the complain button on him, thinking (and hoping) that "Yellow-bellies" was meant as an insult. Then one of the Editors went ahead and put Foxweasel in the DH, where he still seems to be for no real crime.

TMP link

Dan
PS. It was another perfect example of someone being DHd without first checking with that person to verify intent or to just ask for clarification.

A stint in the DH never hurt anyone. It gives you street cred.

PS. It was another perfect example of someone being DHd without first checking with that person to verify intent or to just ask for clarification.

If he disagrees with the punishment, he can always drop Editor Gwen a PM.

Dear Dan

Thanks for clearing that up. I read all the post but couldn't figure them out so I just wanted to calibrate myself to what was said.

Most of the important TMPers get Dawghoused or Account Locked at some time or another. It's then up to that individual to work out his future path. Some don't!

I can understand that there could have been a misunderstanding about the use of the term Yellowbelly having read Legion 4's post about the Old West and the term "you're yellow/yella", or "You're a yellabellied coward" etc. I'd forgotten that the term has been used in such a way, of course I now remember hearing it many a time on cowboy films. It is just a term used over here for folk born in Lincs, in the same way that Yorkshiremen are called Yorkshire Tykes and those born within the sound of Bow bells in London are Cockneys. Apart from Dick van Dyke in Mary Poppins.

Most of the important TMPers get Dawghoused or Account Locked at some time or another. It's then up to that individual to work out his future path. Some don't!

Really?? I hadn't realised I was important until now. Woohoo!!

Has one of these "Free *insert member name*" threads ever actually had the desired effect and gotten a member released early. I would suspect not.

As to the topic in question, he deserves it*.

I've been aware of that "Rape of an Eldar" diorama for several years. It's, in my opinion, at best tacky and at worst offensive. (and I'm neither a Christian nor a Conservative! ;-) ) I'm surprised anyone would think it was suitable for posting on the site. Unless they just wanted to cause controversy of course. I don't known anyone here who has a history of posting stuff just to provoke a reaction….

*-The member in question gets away with all sorts of things (spamming, trolling, personal attacks, etc) that he should be DH'd for. So this is along the lines of Al Capone or O.J. Simpson being jailed for a lesser crime. I'll take it.

Has one of these "Free *insert member name*" threads ever actually had the desired effect and gotten a member released early. I would suspect not.

Yes, occasionally it works.

Yes, occasionally it works.

That is surprising. I suppose that shows how sporadic of a TMP reader I am. Every time I've seen one of these pop up, it's been a total waste of breath/typing.

I remember Tango at least getting a early release fairly recently.

Volleyfuhrer, you're not only important, you're special!

(To me at least)

I remember Tango at least getting a early release fairly recently.

Given that (in my view) he's a prime example of the "some animals are more equal than others" policy in regards to the TMP rules I suppose that's not a surprise.

I'll drop out of the thread now before I say too much and get a DH stay. I don't enjoy the same exclusive status that some do. ;-)

Winston: "A stint in the DH never hurt anyone. It gives you street cred"

Not if Foxweasel hasn't done anything wrong! Then the only reputation affected is that of whoever leaves him there.

Dan

The only question on Foxweasel is whether it was the Yellowbelly or the Lynch Mob part of the comment that got the DH.

If its just the Yellowbelly, well apparently he just needs to drop a PM to Editor Gwen to sort it out.

Earl,

He has, and hasn't gotten a reply.

Dan

So maybe it wasn't the Yellowbelly comment then, maybe it was the calling of those that disagreed with him a lynch mob.

Some clarity would be nice, but I'll certainly agree that he should be released if it was the use of Yellowbelly (in this context) that got him DH.

just throwing this out there…Editor Gwen isn't from the US or Great Britain…maybe she's not familiar with the terms or vernacular we use…Maybe further investigation should have been done as to it's origin…"Yella Belly" is hardly as bad as what else coulda been said…

The vagaries of an International forum.

"Separated by a common language".

He has, and hasn't gotten a reply.

Keep in mind the time zones involved…

Yay! He's free.

Dan

Yes, glad to see Fox has been justifiably released ! I guess it was a case of "something got lost in translation" … As we see, e.g. UK and US denizens have different jargon, terms, sayings, etc. that in some cases may not be readily discerned by the other.

I remember one UK TMPer asked what "going postal" meant when a he read it in a post here. And another time a Yank asked about what does "a Dog's breakfast" mean in UK lingo.

Yay, in the words of John Inman "I'm free" Better be careful with that one as well actually. It's true, English doesn't translate well across 3 counties, never mind 3 continents. Thanks everyone.

"There is a valid academic argument to be made around whether miniatures are art, and what subjects are to be tolerated for the sake of "art."

Certainly, many movies have depictions of rape, and we consider that valid for the sake of drama.

However, I don't think this was one of those cases where some "greater good" was being accomplished through this depiction of rape."

+1 to Ed for this. I may disagree with some aspects of moderation, but he was 100% right in this case.

I once did an informal study of women I know, to see who had been raped. Out of 16 women present, only one had not.

Now you can argue about definitions, what they were wearing, whether they should have put themselves in that situation, and so on, but the hard core fact is that rape is a real experience for MOST women..

The stats from surveys and support networks are quite astonishing. And very different from official crime statistics. You can work out why.

Rape is not funny, or a suitable subject for gaming. It has no place on TMP.

Glad to see you are back Fox !

Maybe I'm wrong, but we do know we have some women here on TMP. Why don't we get their input on this? I've seen Bill respond, haven't seen Gwen say anything.

She might stay clear of this board knowing it's usual subject.

Again, women are not the only ones who get sexually attacked. They might be be the ones most likely to be, and the most likely to report it too, but definitely not the only ones to be attacked.

Also, gang rape by women seems to be mentioned more often these days, among both male and female victims.

The elderly are a particularly vulnerable group, as are children and the physically and mentally handicapped, regardless of gender.

It is a vile act any way you look at it.

Dan

Well, the day arrived …

I'll try to be brief ….

First of all, many thanks to all those who had the kindness to write me via Pm and also to those who have defended my person in this thread.

That said … I would like to clarify that I NEVER SAW THE RAPE in the diorama … what I saw was an Alien soldier (woman) surrounded by enemies in a position of indefection where escaping or winning that combat would be almost impossible … that's why the phrase "This is not going …" … if we put an Alien (man) in his place … the phrase would have been exactly the same …

About the details here poured by John … the truth … I did not see them either … call me silly, distracted or nile with details … but it's up to you to believe this or not.

I can never agree to a rape … of any kind … even in the midst of war … I only want to made a funny remark about an impossible escape situation for a soldier in combat.

My big mistake was not to notice or see those details that others did see … I apologize for it … but not for anything else.

With this, I consider the matter over for me.

Thanks again.

Amicalement
Armand

You are right my friend… and thanks for your understanding…

Amicalement
Armand