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Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2017 7:28 a.m. PST

I just caught this commercial for the first time. He's back, except now he is a she:

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All this pandering is so sad, it's funny. Or is it so funny, it's sad?

Dan
PS. They've done a great job cleaning up all images or videos of the Baron as he appeared in the old commercials. I couldn't find a single one.

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Texas Jack10 Sep 2017 7:36 a.m. PST

Ive said this many times but there are constantly more reasons to say it again: Our society has jumped the shark.

dBerczerk10 Sep 2017 7:43 a.m. PST

Agreed. It is rather sad. Not very creative, either. They could have at least had the commercial set in an airfield mess tent, with vintage aircraft engines warming in the background.

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP10 Sep 2017 7:53 a.m. PST

I'm not sure what the problem is. Using attractive women to sell product is a time honoured strategy.

Are we really complaining that on a product that has no actual connection to anything that the mascot represents that we are going to have to look at a beautiful woman instead of a rugged man?

I mean if they made a WWI movie and actually made the lead roll of the Red Baron a woman that would be one thing. But this is just a character used to sell pizza.

You guys need to calm down. There are actual issues of pandering. This isn't one of them.

Andrew Preziosi Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2017 7:54 a.m. PST

+1 Pictors…said the man staring down Hurricane IRMA at this very minute!

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2017 7:54 a.m. PST

Lol. This is how they get their way nowadays:

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Dan
PS. Guys, this is still the Utter Drivel Board, isn't it? ;)

Ed Mohrmann Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2017 8:03 a.m. PST

Hey, it's just Gresham's Law applied to our 'culture'
and 'society' – continuing to apply, that is…

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2017 8:22 a.m. PST

Pictors: "But this is just a character used to sell pizza. … You guys need to calm down."

Lol. I am calm. I actually find the switch incredibly amusing.

But ask yourself … if a female character representing a product had been replaced by a male one, would it have been seen as a huge deal?

Because I would pay good money to hear someone tell them to calm down. :)

Dan
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Texas Jack10 Sep 2017 8:28 a.m. PST

Well said Dan!

Gokiburi10 Sep 2017 9:20 a.m. PST

It's a bit odd that they chose to change the sex of a mascot based on a historical figure, but I'm not really bothered by it.
What does bother me is her costume, it seems like a cheap cosplay, and all the patches make her look like a NASCAR driver.

Coelacanth10 Sep 2017 9:31 a.m. PST

Also serving tripe.

Would you really buy a pizza from this man? laugh

Ron

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2017 9:34 a.m. PST

Lol. I would!

It's gotta be better than what Red Baron Pizza actually tastes like. :)

Dan
PS. My mother in law is second generation Mexican but can't make tacos that taste all that good. But she makes an amazing spaghetti sauce! We are all much more than our genes.

emckinney10 Sep 2017 9:36 a.m. PST

I'm more bothered by the guy they'd been using looking nothing like the actual Red Baron.

If you aren't, you're clearly not a historical wargamer!

emckinney10 Sep 2017 9:39 a.m. PST

Incidentally, I suspect their big demographic is stressed-out mothers scrambling to feed the kids. Changing the mascot from someone none of them recognize to an idealized version of themselves isn't PC pandering, it's an intelligent advertising strategy.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2017 9:40 a.m. PST

Emckinney,

Ha! I don't think the commercial was ever meant to be a historical or wargaming commentary.

"isn't PC pandering, it's an intelligent advertising strategy."

I respect your opinion though I disagree.

Dan
PS. They don't just live, now they rule and engineer our culture: :)

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Personal logo The Beast Rampant Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2017 9:40 a.m. PST

Someone got paid for this ad campaign. Real money. I'm sure if ad execs had existed in Shakespeare's time, he would have subbed them for the lawyers.

Pandering comes in many flavors. Now introducing Cheeky Chipotle (tm) !!!

Grelber10 Sep 2017 10:37 a.m. PST

She looks a bit like Diana Rigg. Maybe she'll do something actionish in a follow-on, instead of just explain the patches.

Wonder if they plan on selling patches on the side: my wife could use the one that says "Lost phone. Found phone. Lost it again."

Grelber

Elbow Mac10 Sep 2017 11:14 a.m. PST

Approximately 50% of the population are female and yet when that half are represented for the first time it's pc gone mad and the end of civilisation as we know it.

Bizarre.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2017 11:20 a.m. PST

If I had a nickel for every time someone looked foolish using the "Yeah but, what if a white man…." I would have a lot of nickels.

Have we run out of things to be outraged by/at?

Andrew Preziosi Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2017 11:23 a.m. PST

+1, Elbow Mac.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2017 11:24 a.m. PST

Elbow Mac

Perhaps you misunderstand the reason for my thread.

They can have 75% if they want for all I care, as long as the damn overpaid writers create new characters specially for them. If anything, I'm advocating for more roles to be written. There is plenty of space in the universe for new roles. There's no need to appropriate existing ones after someone else has built up the brand or, in the case of movies or tv series, have developed a sizeable cult following. No need or reason for it at all. Specially when they themselves would take offense if the opposite switch was done.

Winston: "Have we run out of things to be outraged by/at?"

I'm mainly amused by the switch, but the others are the ones who seem outraged for bringing it up. So are you referring to me or them?

Dan

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2017 11:24 a.m. PST

I remember when Flyboys came out, the Usual Suspects were whining that a black pilot flew a plane. Only problem with their outrage was that there actually were black pilots. Eugene Bullard.

Personal logo The Beast Rampant Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2017 11:43 a.m. PST

Approximately 50% of the population are female and yet when that half are represented for the first time it's pc gone mad and the end of civilisation as we know it.

As Coelacanth noted, Baron Von Richthofen was probably not a big pizza guy. But as near as anyone can tell, he was not a female. So, dumb marketing gimmick, and pandering.

It's PC to gender-swap a mascot based (however loosely) on a historical figure, and consider it any kind of leg-up for 50% of the population.

Andrew Preziosi Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2017 11:44 a.m. PST

I guess some citizens of Texas don't have enough problem s right now.

emckinney10 Sep 2017 12:29 p.m. PST

"They can have 75% if they want for all I care, as long as the damn overpaid writers create new characters specially for them."

Sooo … they should have changed the name of the chain in order to come up with a new mascot that appeals to the target demographic?

Again, essentially no one knows who the Red Baron was.

Cerdic Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2017 1:07 p.m. PST

On the subject of the patches, what the bleeping bleep bleep is a "half birthday"?

I'm guessing it's some new marketing scam designed to separate the feeble minded from their money? The idea is probably winging its way across the Atlantic as I type….

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2017 1:09 p.m. PST

Dan, why aren't you bitching that Disney hasn't made a movie that empowers little boys in 30 years?
Why only little girls, huh?

Personal logo David Manley Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2017 1:24 p.m. PST

Wow, I guess it's lucky a few of the guys here haven't come across the TV add for Admiral Car Insurance. :)

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2017 1:42 p.m. PST

Winston: "Dan, why aren't you bitching that Disney hasn't made a movie that empowers little boys in 30 years? Why only little girls, huh?"

Lol. Perhaps because I haven't seen a Disney for-kids movie in more than 30 years. We had no kids.

Andrew Precioso: "I guess some citizens of Texas don't have enough problem s right now."

Not nice. We finally got our TV to run a couple of days ago and we are watching regular channels with tons of commercials. That's how I spotted the Red Baron(ess) one.

Like I said earlier, it sounds like all the outrage is coming from you guys, for simply mentioning to the group the hilarious switch in the Utter Drivel Discussion Board. Lol. And I thought it was the commercial that was so sad, it's funny. Or is it so funny, it's sad?

Dan

Personal logo nvdoyle Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2017 2:23 p.m. PST

She looks like a NASCAR driver.

Zephyr110 Sep 2017 3:06 p.m. PST

It should be called Bread Barren pizza (because they skimp on the toppings… ;-)

Pondoo10 Sep 2017 3:23 p.m. PST

Do you seek out things to upset you? It's nasty cheap pizza, cannot blame them trying anything to sell the crap.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2017 3:23 p.m. PST

Zephyr1,

Lol. I love it. Perfect name for it.

Come to think of it, perhaps not. That could spark a whole different kind of misogynist accusations and lawsuits. :)

Bandoo: "Do you seek out things to upset you?"

Ha! I didn't seek it out. It played in between segments of what we were watching. Then my wife said that they went and ruined the ONLY thing she had ever liked about the brand*.

Little did I know so many here would end up getting so bent out of shape over pointing out the switch. It's hilarious. I've been using that word today, haven't I? :)

Dan
* Next time I'll tell my wife to start a TMP account for herself and do her own posting, but to pick out a "male" name, and that way she can just sit back and enjoy listening to so many "gallant" guys blindly attack her instead. Lol. That would have been priceless.

nnascati Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2017 4:05 p.m. PST

Dan, it seems to me that you need something to occupy your mind. Maybe a hobby?

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2017 4:54 p.m. PST

Lol. I think I'm going to start working on that Atlantean Minotaur statues project now. Maybe I'll find something to convert that is the right size, instead of having to start from scratch.

Dan

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2017 5:04 p.m. PST

Do you want to be outraged by Red Baron iconography?
Google "Scranton Wilkes Barre Red Barons".
They were the AAA farm team for the Phillies until the Evil Yankees took over the stadium. Err…. Ballpark.

Stupid cell phone won't let me post their logo, but it was a head on shot of a SPAD XIII! It was neither a Fokker Triplane, nor an Albatros DV!
And they ran that logo for years, despite my attempts to set them straight!
No wonder the Yankees kicked them out.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP10 Sep 2017 11:16 p.m. PST

Nah. My wife just wants the sexy Red Baron back on the stupid commercials.

Dan

skinkmasterreturns11 Sep 2017 3:21 a.m. PST

Im outraged that they have the nerve to pass off cardboard with ketchup on it as pizza.

Personal logo Virtualscratchbuilder Supporting Member of TMP Fezian11 Sep 2017 4:27 a.m. PST

what the bleeping bleep bleep is a "half birthday"?

It is a modern social phenomenon designed to protect children from the difficulty and stress of having to wait a whole year for the next ego-bolstering celebration of their importance.

Dwindling Gravitas11 Sep 2017 4:31 a.m. PST

No outrage here, but I find the new add actually kind of reverse sexist, reinforcing a rather outdated gender role image :-)

Old Wolfman11 Sep 2017 7:14 a.m. PST

I prefer DiGiorno's myself,for store bought pizza.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP11 Sep 2017 7:38 a.m. PST

Virtualscratchbuilder: "to protect children from the difficulty and stress of having to wait a whole year for the next ego-bolstering celebration of their importance."

Maybe that's the problem. The rest of us are so badly damaged and traumatized by the wait of that 364-day void that we all somehow made the world into the horrible place it is today.*

Does that mean they will come up with half-Xmas next? :)

Dan
* Strangely enough, the same kids who repeat the mantra that there is "so much evil on the planet" can't identify most countries on a blank map, or where that "evil" is taking place.

23rdFusilier Supporting Member of TMP11 Sep 2017 10:17 a.m. PST

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Dynaman878911 Sep 2017 10:31 a.m. PST

Oh the horror, a crappy (OK, I like it) frozen pizza changed the ad man to a lady!

Personal logo flooglestreet Supporting Member of TMP11 Sep 2017 3:15 p.m. PST

I'm hungry. Maybe I'll order a delivered pizza from a four star restaurant. Frozen pizza, aviator or aviatrix be damned.

Dynaman878911 Sep 2017 5:06 p.m. PST

> Maybe I'll order a delivered pizza from a four star restaurant.

The idea of ordering a pizza from a four star restaurant *IS* an abomination, if it doesn't come from some dumpy looking place down the street it is NOT good pizza.

Personal logo Narratio Supporting Member of TMP11 Sep 2017 8:12 p.m. PST

Got to agree. Most good pizza comes from places that you suspect cockroaches have abandoned as being too unhealthy.

Personal logo jhancock Supporting Member of TMP12 Sep 2017 3:54 p.m. PST

"Christmas in July" has been a marketing gimmick in the US for some time now!

Anything to part us from our income and savings.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP12 Sep 2017 6:28 p.m. PST

And from the whole idea of the holiday, I'm sure. Do they allow people to say "Merry Christmas in July" without getting all bent out of shape over the innocent well-wishing? :)

Dan
PS. I must be living under a rock or not watching enough commercials, because this is the first I hear of that "Christmas in July" thing.

dBerczerk12 Sep 2017 6:58 p.m. PST

Have you seen the new Colonel Sanders commercial for Kentucky Fried Chicken? She's quite stunning!

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