"Best proper Carabiners a cheval" Topic

Rousselot = post 1865
More mistranslation
And a rather sloppy transcription ("advantage" is an English word, the French is "avantage").
I thought we were going to agree to disagree or some such ?

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Here's the An XIII cuirassier sabre :

This one dates to 1816.
As far as I know, the project to make these curved (shown in the Bardin plates) for any of the army cavalry never happened in the era.
I would love to be shown to be in error.
I also do not know of any plan to isssue cuirassier sabres to carabiniers à cheval.
Even the Bardin planches show distinctive hilts for dragons, cuirassiers and carabiniersà cheval.

Some pretty good detail on telling an An XIII curiassier sabre (straight) from an 1822 model (slight curve).
The authors recount how often the latter is mis-identified as the former.
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Here's the 1822 design – it is called "bancal", not really "à la Montmorency"

The greadiers à cheval 1810 is the same shape

Much more pronounced curve, compared to the "sweep" of the bancal – this is real "à la Montmorency"

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Art

Design of 1740 :
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Design of 1754 :
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Monsieur Le Breton

Thanks for the link…because down at the bottom it mentions Orange…not that I was ever a "Pied Plat" ;-)

Le 11ème régiment de cuirassiers et installé à Orange en 1946 et apres en 1967, le 1er régiment étranger de cavalerie….et a partir du mois de juillet 2014, le 1er REC s'installe sur le Camp de Carpiagne à Marseille..

J'étais à l'orange deux fois…

la première fois était après le défilé du 14 juillet et la deuxième fois…j'ai passé la nuit à orange quand je rapportais un déserteur à Nimes…

Best Regards
Art

Paint me stupid…

But what happens to the old swords when a regiment receives new ones?

Best Regards
Art

@Breton
thanks again for the interesting information, one has to think about.
Usually old sabres should have been continued to be worn, they wouldn't throw them away.
A lot of "old" equipment style were worn into Russia 1812, but after that catastrophe, new equipment had to be issued in 1813.
Michel Petard : Des Sabres et des Épées – tome second, pages 52/53 describes and illustrates well such a slightly curved sabre.
Sabre des Carabiniers
197 S
Pour cette troupe d'élite, ce sabre est un compromis mariant la monture tradtionnelle des 1801-02 à la nouvelle lame à la Montomorency imposée en 1811. Monture de laiton rosé à forte conquille à la grenade, calotte, poignée filigranée; lame 97,5 cm sur 3 cm de talon et 2,6 cm de flèche. Fourreau de cuir forte à garnitures de laiton.

There is no question in my mind about the intent was a new design – not strictly à la Montmorency, but close enough : with a curve.

I have not yet, however, actually seen one for the carabiniers à cheval which by the hallmarks can be dated (hilt *and* blade – not a repair) to 1815 or earlier. I would love to see one – for troopers, the isssued weapon, not a purchased one – as it is said over and over by the very best sources, such as M. Pétard that such existed.

Maybe Paul Dawson has come across records of orders placed with suppliers, or deliveries, or similar that would prove the case?

La ville d'Orange est toujours proche de mon cœur – on y trouve le bon vin du châteauneuf du Pape …. vin assez bon pour le régiment Royal étranger!