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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP29 Aug 2017 11:11 a.m. PST

"Defense Secretary Jim Mattis visited Ukraine last week in a show of support for the besieged Eastern European nation. And he issued a stern warning: "Despite Russia's denials, we know they are seeking to redraw international borders by force, undermining the sovereign and free nations of Europe."

Renewed Pentagon efforts to shore up Ukraine's military and stepped up involvement in military exercises in the region are stark reminders that relations between Russia and NATO continue on a downward spiral.

Russia's aggressive actions in Eastern Europe, combined with its attempts to meddle in the 2016 U.S. elections, have created a foreign policy crisis that nobody in Washington or Brussels seems to know how to resolve…"
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JMcCarroll Inactive Member29 Aug 2017 3:03 p.m. PST

"The big idea proposed here is this: NATO should not expand further into Eastern Europe," O'Hanlon argues in a new Brookings paper titled "Beyond NATO." Putin would love that! Pressuring all of the old states one at a time to come back into the fold. But hey it worked for Hitler! RIGHT?

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP29 Aug 2017 7:12 p.m. PST

I'm curious …

I understand that excluding potential new members might get those small nations to consider throwing their lot with Russia … but wouldn't a policy NATO expansionism be precisely what pushes today's (Putin's) Russia over the edge, meaning more escalation because of NATO's encroachment and the perception that Russia's former member states are now being gobbled up and potentially turned against Russia?

Dan
PS. Besides, wasn't NATO really there to keep Marxism (not just "Russia") from spreading into the rest of Europe? If that's the case … lol

VVV reply29 Aug 2017 10:02 p.m. PST

My solution is to destroy the Russian forces operating in Ukraine.
Small teams to identify Russian troops in Ukraine and long range artillery to destroy them.

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP29 Aug 2017 10:41 p.m. PST

VVV

Lol. That sounds like one of those "what could possibly go wrong with that" situations.

Dan
PS. But, what the heck, if that type of response works then maybe we should try a similar approach on the whole South China Sea situation with the artificial islands built up by the commies.

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VVV reply30 Aug 2017 12:17 a.m. PST

Difference is that Putin does not even admit that there are Russian troops in Ukraine. So difficult to kick up a fuss if they are destroyed.
In the South China sea, the USA does not admit the Chinese declared zone and moves its warships through it. North Korea will be test of Chinese power.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP30 Aug 2017 10:02 a.m. PST

Good points!.


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Jcfrog Supporting Member of TMP31 Aug 2017 12:13 a.m. PST

Acept that they won't behave like vassals, that they have strong historical coherent soul, understand their views ( always needed in dialogue or with ennemies) stop looking at the world as self centered.
Don't stiffly think the errors of the past ( aka borders) can resist and be settled in deep cement.
In the 20th cty it lead to wars which did a good job of putting our civilisation on a self-destructive path.
No one has anything to gain in growing tension.

USAFpilot01 Sep 2017 12:31 p.m. PST

Funny that no one mentions Crimea anymore when talking about Ukraine. Crimea is now on Moscow time zone and Russian currency. I guess it's a 'fait accompli'. I wish our leaders in the West were as smart and devious as Mr. Putin.

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