"Figures for Hessian troops during the WAS." Topic

Hello everyone

Which 25/30mm miniatures to use for the Hessian troops during the WAS ?

I'm looking for figurines specifically Hessian for this war …

Thank you

Fife & Drum Miniatures has Hessians sculpted specifically as Hessians.

Very good…I'll see that … Ok it's seen but they are for the AWI … Not the WAS.

It was to be expected …

En what were de differences in uniform between WAS/7YW and AWI?
just curious

I'd be interested in hearing your response too. I'm not aware of any difference other than the colours and different inhabers, but I'm happy to receive solid information to the contrary.

Fritz

I just looked up the David Moirier paintings of Hessian grenadiers in 1748. Check out the Fife and Drum forum for pictures showing the difference:

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The difference appears to be primarily in the length of the waistcoat and the height of the grenadier mitre versus the SYW/AWI uniforms. Of course, the mitre wouldn't be a problem with the musketeer figures.

I don't believe that the figure you are looking for is made by any other company in the 25/30mm size, so if the waistcoat is a problem for you, then I'm afraid that you are probably out of luck sport.

Update: some of the Hessian uniforms had the shorter waistcoat too:

Short waistcoat
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Long waistcoat
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WAS Hessian infantry looked rather different from the way they did in the SYW and AWI. Fuller uniforms with longer waistcoats and laced lapels and cuffs- actually quite an elaborate uniform.

I have used SYW Hanoverian infantry figures for WAS Hessians. Paint a few up as Hessians to try. The cuff shape is slightly different but overall they look very like the David Morier paintings from 1748.

Alte Fritz- the troops in short waistcoats in your link are actually WAS Brunswickers (Regts Weyhe, Imhoff and Kniestedt) rather than Hessians. All Morier's Hessians are in longer waistcoats.

For WAS Hessian Cavalry, I think probably the best match is SYW Prussian Dragoons. Not perfect, they lack the extra x-belt the Hessians used for their cartridge pouches, and the carbine is carried the other way up, but again the overall 'look' is very like the Morier paintings. The biggest problem, which I have never solved- is suitable trumpeters for the Reiter regiments.

Der Alte Fritz,Brownand and seneffe Thank you !

Long live the green Stuff and I do not think this will be a problem if I have the documentation …

It is incredible the mass of figurines that it lacks on certain period and that because of the trade … The masters cost so much that all can not be done …

Aside from Fife and Drum / Minden Miniatures which sells 28 / 30mm Hessian figures for before the AWI?

This is an interesting and important question and there is someone who necessarily has the answer …

I will see if I can transform prussian figurines of the SYW into hessois of the WAS …

Paskal- there was a noticeable change in style for the Hessian infantry between the WAS and SYW. As indicated above- you might actually want to try using Hanoverians for the earlier period.

WAS Hessen-Kassel
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WAS Hanover
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Prussian SYW figures will get you a result a bit more like this (WAS Brunswick troops- who adopted the slimmer Prussian style uniform before the Hessians))

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@seneffe,

Thank you so much for the links, yet the Hessians did not have frederian mitres?

I will follow your advice since you find that it is the Hanoverians who most resemble the Hessians, despite their mitres …

SYW Hanoverians for WAS Hanoverians & SYW Hanoverians for WAS Hessians…

No problem Paskal.

Re the Hanoverian/Hessian mitres- the basic height and width are very similar, so that shouldn't too much of problem.

Also, if you look at more of the Morier Hanoverian paintings- you will see some variation. Some regiments like the Garde, had english style mitres with embrodered cloth fronts, other regiments had brass or silver plates Prussian style, and other had a mix of both- a partial metal plate on a coloured cloth basis.

Of course- you can paint the castings how you wish.

Excellent seneffe, thank you for your lights (and pity we can not reach you by mp), because I spend a lot of time doing research on the exact uniforms of the French army – because of the regulation changes of 1736 and 1757 between the WAS and the SYW – I know them well but as no modern author is in agreement with his competitors, I do not know if I am right or who is right, in fact it will eventually drive me crazy, because there is a huge job to be done on the figures …

And now Please,dear seneffe, do you know if there are on sale, transfers for 28/30 mm figurines that would save us from having to paint the mitres of some grenadiers of the 18th century armies like those of the British and Hanoverian troops?

Thank you.

And the internal organization of their units? Nobody know?

@Seneffe:

Please, do you have any illustration of different types of Hessian riders during the WAS ?

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A couple more to find.

Thank you.

And for the Hessian musketeers?

And there is not a book where one would find all the uniformological paintings of David Morier on the uniforms of the armies of the WAS?

I second seneffes idea to use Hanoverian figures for the Hessians. Much better then Prussians. A bit of green stuff should also solve the cuff issue with a little extra conversion work.

Cheers,
Christian

I would have to agree about the use of Hanoverian figures. Knötel shows the Hessian uniform of the period as having no collar and a scalloped cuff.

Thank you ,that's what I'm going to do, but there is not a book where one would find all the uniformological paintings of David Morier on the uniforms of the armies of the WAS?

I have this book. It covers much more than Morier but is very nice.

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It illustrates most but not all of the Hessians he painted (mostly in black and white), but it has uniform colour descriptions for all of them.

Pretty much all of the Morier pictures of all armies, can be found here. Just type in Morier and lots should appear.

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Hope This helps.

@ Senefe Thank you, of course it helps me every time you and a few others who recognize themselves intervene,it's an oxygen balloon for me ..!

I'm going to buy the book you say, but for Morier it's incredible that he does not have a book containing all his works and nothing but his own.

It's hard to imagine how difficult it is to build armies with the right uniforms for the WAS and the SYW, the mass of errors that we see on the action figures is extraordinary and I do not want to go over mine!

Do you know how were armed non-commissioned officers and Hessian officers of the infantry and the cavalry during the WAS? Links would be welcome, thank you.

Do you know how were armed non-commissioned officers and Hessian officers of the infantry and the cavalry during the WAS? Links would be welcome, thank you.

Sorry Paskal, I have no information on that point.

I presume, but only presume, that they would follow something like Prussian practise in this matter.

I'm afraid, information here is scarce. But, as a general rule: infantry NCO's carried halberds rather then the Prussian style half-pikes. Grenadier NCO's had muskets. Not sure on the Grenadier Regiment. Here possibly some halberds were carried by the more senior NCO's — speculative. Cavalry NCO's were fitted out as cav. NCO's of most other armies. They did not carry a carabine.
From the 7YW period it was noted that the infantry officers did not carry their spontons. They preferred to command with the sword. The spontons were used on parade only.

@All

Thanks.