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08 Mar 2018 6:09 p.m. PST
by Editor in Chief Bill

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Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian26 Aug 2017 6:13 p.m. PST

It is so startling that a company, apparently large and successful as Spartan Games, should abruptly take a nose dive.

What do you think were the factors behind their failure?

saltflats192926 Aug 2017 7:13 p.m. PST

Never heard of them.

JMcCarroll Inactive Member26 Aug 2017 7:17 p.m. PST

The Owner ( Neal) is very ill. His health will not improve.
I believe the book publisher Spartan used going under was also a major factor. I did receive most of my Kick starter. Neal is a true gamer and I wish him the best!

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP26 Aug 2017 7:22 p.m. PST

A poll suggestion? Seriously?
How morbid can you get?

Yeah. I know. "This is of great interest blah blah blah."
Let it go. Give it a rest.

Frankly, it's none of our business why.

Rallynow Supporting Member of TMP26 Aug 2017 7:24 p.m. PST

Not my thing.

Allen57 Supporting Member of TMP26 Aug 2017 7:35 p.m. PST

To answer Bills question.

1. Scale of miniatures. Not 6mm, not 15mm. Starships too large to use with the other available lines.
2, Overextended. How many lines of figures can you realistically support in a hobby as small as miniature wargaming?
3. Restricting you product. Lots of stuff I would have bought to use with other miniatures but they generally limited what could be bought as individual bits.
4. Poor rules. I can only judge this from all the negative comments I have seen.

Maybe more problems but those are the ones I am aware of.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian26 Aug 2017 8:49 p.m. PST

The Owner ( Neal) is very ill. His health will not improve.

Is his health the main factor the company is shutting down?

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP26 Aug 2017 9:00 p.m. PST

Wow. So sad. Thoughts and prayers go out to him and his family.


ced110626 Aug 2017 10:37 p.m. PST

Overextended and presumably costly Halo license.

Bunkermeister Supporting Member of TMP26 Aug 2017 11:00 p.m. PST

Licenses are very expensive. Several conversations with others who have licensed products say they are not worth it for hobby manufacturers. You have to be a mass market product and sometimes not even then, to make it pay.

That being said, I never heard of them, or their products until this announcement, and the same is so general, even if I had heard of it, it would not have seemed like something I would remember, and I would have associated them with ancients wargames, not science fiction.

Mike Bunkermeister Creek

Personal logo Cacique Caribe Supporting Member of TMP26 Aug 2017 11:15 p.m. PST

True. I'm still not clear what their figures or product was.


Personal logo The Beast Rampant Supporting Member of TMP26 Aug 2017 11:17 p.m. PST

The first thing I though of when I heard this was the overhead on that HALO license.

And their universal rules systems seemed to be universally disliked. Ive never heard of anyone who particularity cared for them. I was very excited when Dystopian Wars came out, and ran out and bout two fleets and the rules. I never even finished reading the rules; they seemed a horrible re-implementation of Man-O-War (but not nearly as good, not that I thought MOW was terrific). I planned to just borrow and splice something together myself, but as so often happens, that turned into just another dusty project, and so I sold everything off.

Vigilant27 Aug 2017 3:21 a.m. PST

I think much of their problems stem from trying to compete in the unique universe world with bigger companies, along with rules that never really caught the imagination. Their miniatures were excellent, but some were on the expensive side. I am surprised to read that regular posters to TMP who include fantasy an sci-fi amongst their interests had not heard of them (or TOR's Relics range) since their ranges have been available for over 10 years. Perhaps some people need to look at their settings as they could be missing many ranges.

VVV reply Inactive Member27 Aug 2017 5:44 a.m. PST

Its tough times in the wargames world at the moment.
The financial crisis first saw spending on wargames increasing (perhaps people were cheering themselves up) but then spending dried up and is still low.
Why Spartan, I suspect poor management.

GurKhan27 Aug 2017 6:50 a.m. PST

Spartan games? Because you just can't get the helots these days.

Personal logo optional field Supporting Member of TMP27 Aug 2017 9:12 a.m. PST

I liked their models and picked up a few models when they were on sale. However, their MSRP for their models was rather high. Enough to keep me away unless they were on sale for 50% off or more.

I really liked the Firestorm Armada, models, however they were generally too big to be compatible with other companies' ranges, and that was also deal breaker for me.

It's odd, the day before Spartan's announcement I had just thought "They could use a 3-D scanner and put them up on Shapeways to make the scale variable. That would be great."

Old Glory Sponsoring Member of TMP27 Aug 2017 11:59 a.m. PST

That spent more money then they brought in ???

Russ Dunawsy

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP27 Aug 2017 1:59 p.m. PST

I liked some of their ships. But the expense. Plus discovering i suck at star ship painting stopped me. But i did leave some £200.00 GBP over the years before i gave up.

Khusrau Inactive Member27 Aug 2017 2:09 p.m. PST

Firestorm Armada great models, but too big to be compatible with all the other stuff I have. Dystopian Wars.. great models, but it didn't fit with my Aeronef stuff (too Gothic).

In this case, it seems like it is primarily the health issue. Most wargames companies rely on 1 or a small number of key personnel. If one of them is so sick, it's simply impossible to keep going.

I do hope his health improves for Neal, and wish him all the best. They did some really ice products and it's always a shame to see a company go.

Incidentally, was there this same level of critique when (for example) SMM announced closure?

doug6125 Inactive Member28 Aug 2017 1:41 a.m. PST

Again, lovely models and great range but awful rules. Still sad news and sad to see them go.

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