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Cold Warrior13 Aug 2017 4:15 a.m. PST

Can see they are VAT registered, but cannot locate any info on their website if VAT is included in pricing.

steamingdave4713 Aug 2017 4:34 a.m. PST

As a UK company, which is VAT registered, I would assume label price includes the VAT, so a £3.00 GBP pack will be £2.50 GBP + 50p VAT

MajorB13 Aug 2017 5:22 a.m. PST

VAT is currently charged at 20%. However, a business only needs to register if their annual turnover exceeds £85,000.00 GBP I'd be very surprised if H&R achieved that and I can find no reference to being registered for VAT on their web site (though I may have missed it).

Vigilant13 Aug 2017 5:54 a.m. PST

Cold Warrior, don't mistake being a limited company with being VAT registered. As MajorB says compulsory registration is only required based on turnover. They could register voluntarily, but I can see no evidence of this on the web site either. So it looks like you will have to pay the listed price plus shipping since they can't deduct VAT if it is not charged.

Vintage Wargaming13 Aug 2017 6:01 a.m. PST

OP says they are VAT registered. The turnover threshold is where mandatory registration kicks in. Companies below this threshold can register voluntarily, which allows them to claim back the VAT they pay out on business supplies etc. Depending on how much VAT they pay out this can be worthwhile. If most of your customers are VAT registered businesses themselves, they can reclaim any VAT they pay you so it makes no difference to them. Completely different story however if your customers are individuals who have to absorb the VAT.

MajorB13 Aug 2017 8:36 a.m. PST

OP says they are VAT registered.

As I said, I couldn't find anything on their web site about being registered for VAT. However a search of VAT registrations produced this:
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Andy Kirk purchased the business from Tony Anderson in 2009. Previously it had been Navwar Productions Ltd and Tony ran a retail premises in Seven Kings.

The turnover threshold is where mandatory registration kicks in. Companies below this threshold can register voluntarily,

Indeed. Which is why I said "a business only needs to register if their annual turnover exceeds £85,000.00 GBP "

Completely different story however if your customers are individuals who have to absorb the VAT.

Which in the case of Heroics and Ros I would think is quite likely.

So, yes, they are VAT registered and the VAT is included in the published prices.

Tony S13 Aug 2017 9:31 a.m. PST

But how does that work for foreign sales? Some companies I buy from, remove the VAT since I am not a UK citizen. Mind you, I think others charge me the same VAT included price as a denizen of Great Britain, but claim to then subsidize my postage?

Vigilant13 Aug 2017 10:08 a.m. PST

VAT rules on supplies to customers outside the EU are that VAT is not due provided that the registered person can prove that the goods have left the EU. Provided the registered can do this then VAT should not be charged. Usually this proof would be invoice details matched to shipping documents. If in doubt contact the supplier direct to see what they are charging.

PaddySinclair13 Aug 2017 8:17 p.m. PST

And as been said numerous times before, a non-EU sale does not mean automatic deduction of the assumed VAT from the sale price, just that VAT is not charged as part of the sale. This is perfectly legal, but should be presented in a transparent manner.

Best policy is to ask the vendor what their policy is on non-EU sales.

Asterix Supporting Member of TMP14 Aug 2017 7:52 p.m. PST

As a USA resident dealing with UK and EU websites (e.g. Berlinner Zinnfiguren) I have experienced that they automatically deduct the VAT from the sale price.

Cold Warrior15 Aug 2017 2:55 a.m. PST

Asterix,

I can tell you that H&R does not do that. VPN set to UK shows same prices as US.

Dynaman878915 Aug 2017 4:54 a.m. PST

I have two H&R invoices from years ago, neither one shows VAT being deducted. Not a problem for me since their prices, even with VAT, are exceptionally good.

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