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yarkshire gamer11 Aug 2017 10:08 a.m. PST

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Sing along to the tune of 12 Days of Christmas everyone !

I had a bit of a clear out of my WW2 North Africa to do box recently completely emptying it would you believe (don't worry I've filled it up again, I'm not ill).

This is the fruits of my British painting, lots of pics on the blog. Have to say after an initial nervous breakdown the Portee went together nicely.

Enjoy, Regards Ken
The Yarkshire Gamer

DanWW211 Aug 2017 10:59 a.m. PST

Very nicely done.

I also took advantage of the 'Blitzkrieg Miniatures' Monday deals by ordering a couple of Matilda IIs and Panzer IIIs.

I've done one Matilda in a flat sand scheme, and the other in 'Caunter' scheme.

I'll post pics once they're finished.

spontoon11 Aug 2017 12:05 p.m. PST

Blue's a bit bright. Older books show it this shade, but that was due to poor colour separation in the 60's and 70's. More modern texts show it as a much greyer shade.

BuckeyeBob11 Aug 2017 12:32 p.m. PST

Really like the MH and portees. I'd not object to having them on my game table. Good Job!!!!

yarkshire gamer11 Aug 2017 2:05 p.m. PST

Don't mention the Blitzkrieg Miniatures offers, I am nearly bankrupt. 4 Matildas, 5 Honeys and 6 PzIII so far.

As for the blue Spontoon, you can discuss the Caunter scheme all you like, as I say in the blog post. There are official colours, locally sourced paint, sun fade etc I rely mostly on conversations and model building years ago with a family member who served in the Desert in WW2. It is actually a pale blue grey, the camera always blues it up a bit.

Works for me.

Regards Ken
The Yarkshire Gamer

Marc at work13 Aug 2017 1:36 a.m. PST

I like the "blue"

Can I ask a question please. I keep seeing caunter and, initially I imagined the crew of each tank would paint some random lines. But the more I see I realise that the support/logistics would paint entire units. So instead of each tank having the lines in different places, they were all the same.

So my question is – was there one scheme (i.e. All blue strip starting I. One corner, or where there loads of different patterns. And if so, where are people getting the pattern guides from? Does that sense?

Thanks

Nice blog by the way

Marc

yarkshire gamer13 Aug 2017 3:54 a.m. PST

Hi Marc,

It's a good question. There certainly wasn't a generic one size fits all pattern, the pictures I have of vehicles in theatre at the time don't really give a hard and fast rule.

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The above shows Mk VI tanks in the Desert, initially they all appear the same pattern, but if you look closely there are slight differences in angles and coverage. That suggests to me a general pattern was issued to the crews who then "interpret" that on their vehicles.

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These A9s however are all different.

3 vehicles in our rules represent a Squadron, I tend to paint the three vehicles in a similar pattern (helps with table recognition) with minor variations as per my A10s above.

Regards Ken

Eclaireur14 Aug 2017 6:17 a.m. PST

Marc and Ken – the painting of vehicles was usually done at Base Workshops. With the units arriving from UK this was on the outskirts of Alexandria. There was a similar facility on the outskirts of Cairo.
Ken, you've done a fabulous job on these wagons. So much so that if you're still in the business of commissions I'd be tempted to send some vehicles to you!
May I suggest, as you're so clearly in the premier league in your paint work, that as the senior armoured regiment of 7th Armoured Division (i.e. 1 RTR) you could give them names beginning with A, and that in 1940 or 1941 the 52 tac sign on red is not the right one. As you probably know, that's the 1944 numeric scheme.
EC

yarkshire gamer14 Aug 2017 11:41 a.m. PST

Cheers EC,

Good to hear from you, be interested in your take on the schemes and the slight differences between the "same" basic patterns as shown in the links above.

I have looked into names and done a couple of comedy ones on our Matildas but haven't found a method of doing them that I am happy with. It's on the to do list.

If you need a couple of vehicles doing let me know, sure I could fit some in.

Regards Ken
The Yarkshire Gamer

Marc at work14 Aug 2017 3:02 p.m. PST

Yep EC please do share more – especially re the patterns. When I paint my desert stuff for BGTobruck I want to at least try to be historical

Otherwise all I currently have are pics like the Yark's above, or my Airfix instructions

Thanks

Eclaireur15 Aug 2017 10:57 a.m. PST

Guys – I must confess that the Caunter scheme is the subject of much debate and speculation. Suffice to say its use seems to have peaked around the time of Op Compass (late 1940, early 1941) though I think there are still examples of tanks arriving after that being painted in it, like some of the Honeys.
Given the aim was to trick the eye with a dazzle type of effect I think the Workshops applying it would have worked to precise templates – and indeed there are surviving examples of those
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It wouldn't have been left to the troopers to paint it by rough rule of thumb. I would therefore base my painting of it on photos of vehicles with the scheme applied. Of course the B&W image cannot resolve the question of colour shades – blue, pink, or whatever else.
EC

yarkshire gamer15 Aug 2017 11:09 a.m. PST

Nice one EC not seen those templates before. We are specifically gaming the Op Compass to Op Crusader period so it fits nicely for our pre 42 models.

Regards Ken

Legion 415 Aug 2017 11:12 a.m. PST

Very, very well done !

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