Bill N | 08 Aug 2017 6:30 p.m. PST |
Specifically for the Maryland Regiment Extra and the brown French lottery coats. My default for coat linings and turnbacks has always been white, but most depictions of brown coated regiments I have seen for the AWI show red. Maybe it is just an early war thing. Anyone know what the practice was during the 1778-81 time frame? |
Winston Smith | 08 Aug 2017 7:44 p.m. PST |
I have always read "lined" to mean "facings", as in the lining was turned back. If facings were buff or white, I would not expect thevturnbacks, the "linings", to be red. Red linings could go with red facings. |
historygamer | 08 Aug 2017 8:35 p.m. PST |
Most coat linings of the period were of wool, usually white. White bay wool was common – a cheap wool, often used for the turnbacks as well. |
Pan Marek | 09 Aug 2017 8:57 a.m. PST |
Americans tended to favor turnbacks of the same color as facings. British alomost all had white. |
historygamer | 09 Aug 2017 9:13 a.m. PST |
I think it would be tough to generalize. What about the Lottery coats? American coats were more a matter of what materials were on hand versus any regulation or uniform warrant. |
HANS GRUBER | 09 Aug 2017 9:59 a.m. PST |
I am under the that all/most French lottery coats (blue or brown) had red facings with white linings and turnbacks. |
Supercilius Maximus | 11 Aug 2017 12:27 p.m. PST |
There is obviously some confusion here. Lining and facings are completely different terms and mean different things – the latter covers collar, cuffs and lapels and these were often just strips of appropriately coloured cloth sewn onto the front of the coat for economy; the former is what shows when you fold back the skirts of the coat. In some countries, lining was white, regardless of the facings, although the British had buff linings for buff faced regiments; German troops usually had red linings. I don't have information on the lottery coats, but I think that the brown ones had red linings and facings (open to correction on that). |
Bill N | 11 Aug 2017 3:52 p.m. PST |
Since my troops are generic I will make some companies with red linings and others with white. If definitive word comes down I can always change one or the other. |
Winston Smith | 12 Aug 2017 9:11 a.m. PST |
Facings came about when the lining of the coat was "turned back" to form collars, cuffs, lapels and … turn backs. As they evolved into strips of cloth sewn on the coat, the turn backs remained as lining. The term "turncoat" came about from turning the coat inside out so the linings became the coat color. A recent battle I ran (Oriskany) had the apocryphal Loyalist unit wearing its coat turned to look like a New York Continental regiment. Easy Peasy. Tan coat with green facings, and turnbacks. Now they're just another continental unit for the next game. |
historygamer | 12 Aug 2017 9:19 a.m. PST |
As a general rule, I think coats were generally lined with cheap white wool. You see this in some officer portraits too. It made coat lighter and was cheaper that the dyed wool. |
Major Bloodnok | 18 Aug 2017 2:56 a.m. PST |
If you reverse a British regimental coat you will not have any facings since the buttons that hold the lapels flat against the coat are now on the inside side. With the mid-late war coats the lapels and cuffs are permanently sewn down. |