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Tango0130 Jul 2017 9:12 p.m. PST

"OK, so it's very possible the massive changes to the figurative board were glossed over a bit in last week's recap. Euron's capture of Yara and destruction of Dany's fleet completely Bleeped texted over what would have been a pretty effective plan to take Westeros. And that changes things.

And this episode shows just how much Euron was able to accomplish in a single, bloody battle. Plus he now has Ellaria Sand and one of the Sand Snakes some very enticing gifts for Cersei. He brings, as he puts it, justice for her murdered daughter. Euron also asks Jaime for sexual advice when it comes to Cersei in some pretty graphic terms, which continues this season's trend of mocking Jaime without him being able to do anything about it.

But let's take a step back.

The episode begins with Jon showing up at Dragonstone, because when the show doesn't want to waste time and this is rare it doesn't waste any time. The time it takes to get somewhere has always been a slightly elastic thing for Game of Thrones, but who is going to complain when we begin with what we've been waiting to see for so long? It's also nice to hear two smart characters admit to each other that all of this is pretty bonkers.

Melisandre knows she has to leave, knows she will return and knows she will die in Westeros. So I guess that story has been neatly mapped out for us, but I'm guessing that how this all happens will be surprising in some way … or maybe it will happen off-camera and we can all get on with our lives.

Daenerys makes Jon a pretty great pitch for joining up, but he doesn't mince words when it comes to trying to convince everyone in that room that the White Walkers are on the way. We know that the reality of this army is hard for people in Westeros to accept, but it's easy to forget how strange and unbelievable it must sound to Daenerys and her forces. Snow's admission that the fight for power means nothing in the face of an army that will destroy humanity is powerful, but it doesn't get him anywhere. How could it? It sounds mad…."
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What a game! It seems that Cercei started with a thrashing … but have to wait Khaleesi's counterattack …

John?…


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Armand

Robert Burke30 Jul 2017 10:47 p.m. PST

I kept waiting for one of the Dragons to recognize John Snow as a Targaryen. Imagine the look on Daenery's face!

dwight shrute31 Jul 2017 2:19 a.m. PST

those Tarly oathbreakers , ain't gonna end well for them .

clibinarium31 Jul 2017 2:39 a.m. PST

Can you try to avoid spoilers in your topic headings?

Personal logo Patrick R Supporting Member of TMP31 Jul 2017 3:06 a.m. PST

Do people really think that it was just a matter of walking up to King's Landing, knock on the door, wait in line and then have each and every character punch Cersei on the nose in turn ??

By the end of the season Cersei will have killed one or two dragons and left the Khaselladllessi with a bare rump of an army, isolated and besieged in Dragon's-what's-their-place.

GRRM spend all his time and energy shocking people with sudden death, huge reversals and sending the main plot off on another tangent, but somehow Cersei was going to get her butt kicked completely unopposed and everyone would be happy thereafter ?

Storytelling 101 people …

Dynaman878931 Jul 2017 4:28 a.m. PST

Anyone notice Cersei has gotten a whole lot smarter that past couple episodes.

And as bad a person as she is she took a real classy revenge on you know who.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP31 Jul 2017 6:29 a.m. PST


Anyone notice Cersei has gotten a whole lot smarter that past couple episodes.

Claire Underwood is subbing for her. Same hair and outfits, so why not?

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP31 Jul 2017 6:35 a.m. PST

I love how all the Northerners dove for cover when the dragons zoomed over, and all the Khaleesi-ites just laughed at them. How many other movies have we seen that in, minus the dragons of course?

dwight shrute31 Jul 2017 10:11 a.m. PST

I expect the Lannister army to get massacred by the Dothraki in the very near future ….
The only dragon that gets killed gets to join the night king …

Tango0131 Jul 2017 10:49 a.m. PST

Zero "sexual tension" between John Snow and Khaleesi … for the moment?… (smile)

Sir Davos … what will be its importance in history? …

Tyron … did he ever tell Khaleesi about his aproach to the dragons?…
Too much drink and the books did not help him to be a good strategist ….

How the dragons passed so close to John Snow and did not recognize him as Targharian? …

Was so easy to take the Tyrel fortress ? … not a long siege?… that crap of castles!

"Worm" and his men … were isolated? …. Could they march overland to Dragonstone …?

The ice wall … will collapse or the "living dead" will simply walk over the frozen sea to their sides? … if so … how they did not used it before? …

Sansa seems much more versed in tactics and strategy than his stepbrother …

I really enjoy this chapter ….

Amicalement
Armand

Dynaman878931 Jul 2017 11:00 a.m. PST

> Zero "sexual tension" between John Snow and Khaleesi … for the moment?… (smile)

I thought she would offer to marry him as an alliance. That lets him be king, doing what the queen says of course. I still think that will end up happening.

Dorn – Kill or capture four people and they seem to be done?
Tyrel – Their army did a hell of lot better in the battle for King's Landing.

Sansa – seems to be THAT wargamer that is always prattling on about logistics winning wars.

> How the dragons passed so close to John Snow and did not recognize him as Targharian? …
It's that Barrathion hair.

Tango0131 Jul 2017 11:11 a.m. PST

Ha-Ha-Ha…

The last one kill me Dynaman8789!!…(smile)


Amicalement
Armand

Bob Runnicles31 Jul 2017 1:38 p.m. PST

>How the dragons passed so close to John Snow and did not recognize him as Targharian?

Or maybe that's WHY it passed so close in the first place…

Bob Runnicles31 Jul 2017 1:40 p.m. PST

>Was so easy to take the Tyrel fortress ? … not a long siege?… that crap of castles!

Olenna made a point of saying that Highgarden wasn't really built to withstand a siege and Jaime had at least two full armies to take it (Lannister and Two-faced Tarly).

Thomas Thomas Supporting Member of TMP31 Jul 2017 3:20 p.m. PST

The castle would still not have fallen. Even a small force can keep an army at bay when assited by castle walls. No gun powder artillery in Westeros – they have to do it the hard way. Lannister is a house it has an affinity not an army. It takes several houses to combine to make an "army". So it could not have been that large (though may have had its vassal houses included but they would have had different banners and not use that weird red armor).

TomT

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP31 Jul 2017 6:35 p.m. PST

Okay so the Lannister's took High Garden which was not all that well defended probably because the Army is elsewhere.

On the other hand the Unsullied took Castle Rock killing far more men than what the Lannister's killed at High Garden.

Now the Lannister's want to keep things the Unsullied do not need to keep anything.

So while Euron did destroy Greyworm's navy he cannot do jack to anything that is on land.

So that leaves the Unsullied to just burn Castle Rock to the ground and leave and go on to the next target.

As for Tarly well we have seen what happens to Traitors.

Early rounds to Cersei but in the end she will lose.

Tango0131 Jul 2017 10:44 p.m. PST

Still… 4 to 1 is a very good score for Cercei!… who can imagine that?… (smile)


Amicalement
Armand

Earl of the North01 Aug 2017 3:59 a.m. PST

Are we forgetting the Freys and the Riverlands, nobody in Westeros seems to have noticed they have been all but exterminated as a house at this point, but presumably at the moment the Riverlands is lost to Cersei.

So may be the Riverlands could be a target for the Unsullied, the locals would probably be welcoming at this point since they have been under the Lannister/Frey harsh rule since House Tully fell….this would also work well with a northern alliance with John Snow since it would allow the Starks access to the south. If nothing else Snow need access to the south should he need to abandon the North to the army of the dead.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP01 Aug 2017 7:53 a.m. PST

Let's see. The Unsullied are nothing but spearman. No archers, no light infantry. No cavalry. No food.
Easy peasy to march to the Riverlands.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP01 Aug 2017 7:55 a.m. PST

Euron's ship looks like it was designed by a 6th Grade kid.
Massive ram. Does it have oars? I don't recall seeing any. One mast? Triangular studding sails?

Earl of the North01 Aug 2017 8:10 a.m. PST

Let's see. The Unsullied are nothing but spearman. No archers, no light infantry. No cavalry. No food.
Easy peasy to march to the Riverlands.

Its GoT I wouldn't put it past the writers after they also sent those spearmen alone to take a city. Maybe the Dragons can airlift supplies in.

They have to go some where and the Riverlands might be friendly territory for them to stop off if they do their march to the (other) sea.

Euron's ship looks like it was designed by a 6th Grade kid.
Massive ram. Does it have oars? I don't recall seeing any. One mast? Triangular studding sails?

It teleports dude, it don't need no stinking oars!

Thomas Thomas Supporting Member of TMP01 Aug 2017 9:59 a.m. PST

In as an unyet published chapter (but released on webiste) the abilities and draw backs of the Unsullied as discussed by Martin through Sir Barriston (still alive). They are indeed pure shield wall Spear depending on discipline. Normally they are supported by mercanary companies supplying missile and mounted.

The books are careful about military matters the mini-serias erratic (depends on how close to the books it stays).

The books are an excellent base for medieval style wargaming. The TV version is just for fun – no need to try and make and sense of why one castle falls and another does not (the whole point of the rough woeing between Frey and Stark was to get access to the Twins to avoid a long seige and now castles just fall for plot convience).

TomT

Dynaman878901 Aug 2017 10:26 a.m. PST

> no need to try and make and sense of why one castle falls and another does not

If you watch the latest episode on demand the producers explain exactly why it happened the way it did – all plot related.

dwight shrute05 Aug 2017 7:57 a.m. PST

I wonder what the score is with the entire Lannister army wiped out in open play and jamie and bron prisoners of the dothraki . Does one wounded dragon make a difference ?

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP07 Aug 2017 6:27 p.m. PST

no need to try and make and sense of why one castle falls and another does not

Actually both Castles were taken and by force.

In the case of High Garden it was taken due to lack of individuals to man the walls.

Look at the small pile of bodies when Jaime is walking up the Queen of Thorns room.

As for the other it was taken by opening the gate thus allowing the Unsullied to pour into it. Plus they had to fight quite a few Lannister's before they could take it.

But now after the 4th show there is really no Lannister army left.

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