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SouthernPhantom28 Jul 2017 11:02 a.m. PST

mandt2, nobody was arguing that homosexuality is a mental illness. Homosexuality and gender dysphoria are two completely different topics. The first is a preference, probably with a genetic/hormonal component. Nothing wrong with that; abnormal preferences are not cause for concern. The second is a desire to have oneself surgically altered for cosmetic purposes, and to use potentiall-harmful hormones to alter one's body's proper function. The two topics could not be more different.

I don't think it's particularly difficult to grasp, unless one is completely consumed by the desire to conform to current trends and popular culture. Wanting invasive procedures and hormone therapy to fulfill some desire to ape the opposite sex is a mental illness, and medical 'professionals' who encourage or assist this are committing malpractice by doing so.

Great War Ace28 Jul 2017 11:21 a.m. PST

The OP topic isn't about differences in sexual ID or attraction. Such have existed since our species arose.

Militaries must determine what factors eliminate a man or woman from active service. All service personnel are (ideally) put where they fit in best. The entire machine, from recruiting through logistics to combat is intended to function as leanly (inexpensively, in money and resources) as possible, with the greatest alacrity in destroying the enemy's capability to wage combat.

Today we have an unprecedented movement toward liberal (progressive) thought, carried out by activists. Their motives are genuinely altruistic. That doesn't make them right much less wise.

Lessons from the past are largely ignored, brushed away, with assertions such as, "That was then, this is now; things have changed." So they absolutely do not believe the adage of the ages, "Those who do not learn from history will be doomed to repeat it."

Militaries that have inculcated "progressive" elements have failed. One of the most basic and also the worst is the mercenary reliance: the society becomes so unwarlike, or unwilling, that they place their security in the hands of foreign fighters.

Believe it or not, that is the direction that our current path is taking us. This one tiny reversal of the POTUS's of that trend will amount to nothing if it is not followed up by a sweeping reformation, from the top down. Expenditures far more damaging than anything so far spent on transgenders need to either be cut out or cut down. Entire bureaucracies that have been built up to "minister" to special interests in the military need to be abolished as inimical to efficiency, both economic and combative.

Should the President answer to the advice of his best informed, most wise generals and their counselors, we shall see such a change in the US military structure that will be truly historical.

So don't get all caught up (distracted) by a relatively puny side issue bothering society that is nothing but an argument about sex.

The military cannot afford to address any issues about sex beyond the punitive. Soldiers must allow their training to turn off the sexual side when drilling and going forward to battle. The punitive is there to eliminate the constant threat of breaking ranks to engage in rapine and its attendant enticements. The soldiers are not sexual beings to the military. If they become such, then punitive measures will put them back in line or get rid of them.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian28 Jul 2017 6:18 p.m. PST

Great War Ace, you have nothing to worry about…

It was the second consecutive win for Nong Rose, 21, in the revered Muay Thai arena after becoming the first transgender boxer to fight there last month. In her professional career, she has won 150 of her 300 fights and scored 30 knockouts as well.

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Irish Marine28 Jul 2017 8:01 p.m. PST

WOW! Two dudes fighting each other.

Great War Ace28 Jul 2017 9:11 p.m. PST

Bill, I won't answer you here. You will not DH yourself, and that's where this is headed with that last quip of yours.

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP31 Jul 2017 6:54 a.m. PST

Because I don't understand the legal standing of a presidential tweet – have all the transgender people currently in the US military actually been summarily sacked with no notice?

Some of the reporting in the UK suggested this – and that this amounted to some several thousand people affected. There was also someone about to graduate WestPoint who was interviewed and was suggesting that they now had no role to go to. Is this for real?

And how much wasted money in military training would this represent?

Great War Ace31 Jul 2017 7:13 a.m. PST

Not that I've heard. Rather, this move to render "transgenders" unacceptable will be fought tooth and nail. A tweet does not equal an executive order. And an executive order, at most, will only pause the system while being reviewed top to bottom; and swiftly overturned by the POTUS who disagrees with it. That could take years, of course.

But for The Donald to actually reform the military will require acts of Congress and pass into law.

Personal logo 20thmaine Supporting Member of TMP31 Jul 2017 7:28 a.m. PST

Thanks !

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