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Xintao Supporting Member of TMP21 Jul 2017 11:30 a.m. PST

I would find it very useful for supporting members to be able to send a private message to non-supporting members and carry on a conversation.

That way you wouldn't have to clog up the boards trying to get someone's attention if they are not a member.

Personal logo Cyrus the Great Supporting Member of TMP21 Jul 2017 4:13 p.m. PST

Great idea!

Personal logo Editor Gwen The Editor of TMP21 Jul 2017 5:20 p.m. PST

If you could send them a PM, then they could reply to you, then where would be the benefit of being a Supporting Member?

Grimmnar21 Jul 2017 5:54 p.m. PST

Gwen, being allowed to sell in the Marketplace. There he go, now make PM's possible. :-)
And it still kills me for the years I been here I have to pay to PM another board member.
This is a standard feature, as well sending emails, 9n each and every forum I have ever been on.

Ottoathome22 Jul 2017 5:47 a.m. PST

Dear Xintao

But can the non supporting member respond and have it be a conversation. This is already a benefit of supporting membership. I assume you do not mea it would be one way only.

Legion 422 Jul 2017 6:34 a.m. PST

Good points … So in theory, it would/should stop things like what is going on in these threads.
TMP link

TMP link

And the argument can be take off the main boards and only in PMs. I think that is a good idea …

But as Otto said, it would have to go both ways, and I agree totally …

As Gwen posted, then Bill may lose revenue because, e.g. some would/may not join … ?

Skeptic22 Jul 2017 7:42 a.m. PST

The benefit would be that members could initiate PM conversations with non-members, just as the Editor can initiate PM conversations with non-members.

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian22 Jul 2017 9:48 a.m. PST

May I point out that there is already an easy way to send a PM to a non-member?

Buy them a gift membership!

It costs very little…

Legion 422 Jul 2017 10:09 a.m. PST

Good point Bill … good point … wink

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP23 Jul 2017 7:43 a.m. PST

Why would I want to gift Otto or Ralph a Supporting Membership?
Particularly since I haven't spent a dime on my own? I EARNED mine through poll suggestions.
If it "costs very little", Bill, I think the answer to their dilemma is fairly obvious.
Ralph seems to be a tad put out over not being able to contribute during your vacation. As you said, it "costs very little".
Or he can craft likely polls. That for me is my own freeloading solution.
I don't see a problem here that doesn't have a very simple solution.

I'm low on beer today. I'll need it to watch Game of Thrones tonight. The solution to me is rather obvious.

Legion 423 Jul 2017 8:53 a.m. PST

Why would I want to gift Otto or Ralph a Supporting Membership?
Yes, why ? I can't think of any reason AFAIK ? huh?

Ralph seems to be a tad put out over not being able to contribute during your vacation.
Yeah … maybe a little … ? But I'm over it if I was … But thanks for thinking about me [& Otto] !

I'll need it to watch Game of Thrones tonight.
I'm going to watch "The Strain" … Nucs, Nazis & Vamps … something for everyone ! evil grin
[But No Aliens … frown … Now that makes me feel put out … frown ]

Disclaimer* That was a joke … and only a joke … No comedians were injured during this posting … Or Vamps either …

Personal logo Editor in Chief Bill The Editor of TMP Fezian23 Jul 2017 11:56 a.m. PST

Why would I want to gift Otto or Ralph a Supporting Membership?

The original question was how to have a conversation between a Supporting Member and a Basic Member, John.

So the answer to your question is: you might want to gift a Supporting Membership to someone you want to have a conversation with.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP23 Jul 2017 12:20 p.m. PST

Well, I just got my beer. Problem solved.

Ottoathome23 Jul 2017 2:53 p.m. PST

If you really want to make a meaningful benefit for a supporting member, then why not make it that ONLY supporting members can start a new topic. For the non supporting they can only comment on topics others post. They cannot start topics on their own.

Actuall I am coming down to Winston Smiths idea to simply not let non supporting members post at all but only be able to read.

Then you can triple the Supporting membership cost for the supporting members.

deephorse23 Jul 2017 4:22 p.m. PST

Why not go the whole hog and only let supporting members have access to the site? Would eliminate trolling and other unpleasant activities at a stroke, no? Pay-to-view!

Ottoathome23 Jul 2017 8:06 p.m. PST

Ummm Bill I have the private e-mails of all the people I wish to talk to from this group. We do it all the time. We usually don't talk about you or TMP but talk about war-games. Whyever would I want to talk to Winston Smith? Or he to me for that matter.

Legion 424 Jul 2017 7:35 a.m. PST

Winston Smith Supporting Member


Well, I just got my beer. Problem solved.

CHEERS ! beer

Actually I am coming down to Winston Smiths idea to simply not let non supporting members post at all but only be able to read.

Then you can triple the Supporting membership cost for the supporting members.

Why not go the whole hog and only let supporting members have access to the site? Would eliminate trolling and other unpleasant activities at a stroke, no? Pay-to-view!
I have a tendency to agree for better or worse. Even if it means I can't post … And IMO the only real BIG problems with TMP is "trolling and other unpleasant activities" … sadly … frown

And Bill, I'm being a true Capitalist here … And can see the advantage of increasing the SPT MEMB fees … But that might upset some too ? Again just a thought, no pitch forks and torches, please … huh? I personally have a number of reasons why I won't join. At least anytime soon. But really … WHO Cares ?!? huh?

Why ever would I want to talk to Winston Smith? Or he to me for that matter.
I have a some what similar thought[and this is not directed at Winston or anyone for that matter].

It puzzles and even amazes me at times … Why would anybody really give "darn", etc. what I, or anyone else here has to say, think, believe, feel, etc. about any subject ? What does it really matter ? In the big picture of life … It Does Not, not even one bit, IMO.

We are generally all just faceless entities on the net. Who may or may not have an accurate real name, profile, etc. If someone likes or dislikes anything else someone posts. Why does what anybody says here is really going to change anything in anybody's life, opinion, etc. Here or in real life offline ?

It's highly improbable any of us will actually do/act on anything we say, or think, etc., offline. I'd think most if not all of us have more important matters to be concerned with. It's not like most of us live next door to anyone here. Some even live on different continents. huh?

So I think the trolling/frolling, lack of civility, personal attacks, vitriol, disdain/distain, etc., are in many/most cases just being a troll/froll,, etc. … period …

What will someone say off the net, "Boy I really told that Bleeped text Bleeped text on TMP [or FB, etc.] because he/she/it said something that I disagree with !" … And he/she/it is < fill in the blank(s)> …

"Bill threw me off TMP, I'll show him, I'll get revenge because he rejected me. And won't let me play in the sand box !"

"L4/Winston/Otto/etc. said he thinks A,B,C & D, … I'll set him straight ! You can't say something other than what I believe ! How dare he/she/it ! huh?

"He/she/it said he did this or that and believes this or that. I don't like this or that or what he said, believes or stands for. Because … A,B,C & D, he must be lying, thinks differently, must be a bad person, etc.

Who cares ? huh? What are the trolls/frolls trying to prove ? That they don't like someone because he/she/it is different than they are as they believe differently about a topic, etc. … If there are differences, they should be discussed in a civil manner … if at all, IMO.

Again WHO CARES ? And as always, like on the phone it's easy & safe to "talk Smack" on the net. For obvious reasons … I think the trolls/frolls need to take a look at themselves and primarily grow up and act like an adult in a civil manner.

Personal logo David Manley Supporting Member of TMP24 Jul 2017 2:34 p.m. PST

"Why would anybody really give "darn", etc. what I, or anyone else here has to say, think, believe, feel, etc. about any subject ? What does it really matter ? In the big picture of life … It Does Not, not even one bit, IMO.2

So why do you worry and hit the complain button if you think someone has had a go at you? An honest question, I'm curious to know.

Legion 424 Jul 2017 3:03 p.m. PST

No worries … I guess I don't like having stones thrown at me … Again that may just be me. I can't give you a more honest answer. That may be one of my many failings … you may personally feel differently ?

I have no problem with someone disagreeing with me and we have a civil conversion, etc. Like adults, but many times the trolls/frolls just like to be rude, insulting, demeaning, etc.

E.g. your post here to me is fine. You are asking a reasonable question. Does not seems to be "gotch'a" comment, cloaked agenda, etc. And not being insulting, etc. That is the way adults are supposed to do things, yes ?

But with a troll/froll they are just attacking me because they want to be insulting, demeaning, etc. For a there own reasons, etc. I don't expect everyone to like me or be my buddy, etc. But I don't expect to be attacked for what I say, who I am, what I believe, do or did. That should be done in a civil discussion, if at all …

So I'd think if someone believes I am being a jerk, etc., stifle me, or ignore me, etc. Again what I say should not really matter to anyone.

I'm sure you've seen some of the things said here and elsewhere. It's not in me, not my way to let someone do that. Again, that just may be me.

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP24 Jul 2017 7:00 p.m. PST

Jeez, Ralph.
You seem to be saying "I don't care if you disagree with me, as long as you don't DISAGREE with me. 'Cuz then I'll push the button on you and complain to Bill!"
Does that Honor Code you admire so much compel you to whine when people are being mean to you?
Why not just lash back, instead of dropping a dime?

Whatever happened to:
"I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it!"
---Some French witty person. grin
You can't get more American than that.
(Yes. I know who said that. I'm being witty.)

Legion 425 Jul 2017 6:09 a.m. PST

Does that Honor Code you admire so much compel you to whine when people are being mean to you?
Well I don't so much admire it as I do see it's "worth" so to speak. And I believe in many cases when some one is being "mean" to me it is mean spirited, demeaning, etc. I has nothing to do with any topic, etc. They attack me for me. Not my message, but me the messenger.

You must know what I talking as you go to the "farters" site, etc. And you know why they don't like me … frown They remind me of that movie "Mean Girls" … wink

Why not just lash back, instead of dropping a dime?
I do/have lashed back, I've been Snipped, Deleted, DH'd and even Locked Out a couple of times. And in many cases that was because I "lashed out".

I've even been DH'd for telling someone they must not be a very good wargamer. huh? During a heated discussion, that really was going no where. And in return for them attacking me.

Many times I'm attacked/"being mean to" from trolls/frolls that have no other reason to than to insult, make fun of, etc.
For all reason you have seen here from trolls/frolls, and elsewhere.

I see those types as not doing anything creative, useful, etc., and making TMP not as "pleasant" a place as it should be, IMO. I'm sure Bill sees this. And in turn by "turning in" these types, I attempt to "clean up" some of the "negatives", IMO. I think it is better to get rid of those types, then let them continue their "vandalism", etc.

And I'll admit, I don't like being attacked personally which generally has nothing to do with a post here, etc. As opposed to just being disagreed with. Which is fine if it is done in civil manner leading to a useful discussion, etc. And it is about the topic, etc. Not just to attack me for me being me. Again, you know the vitriol that is directed at me personally.


"I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it!"
Again when I'm called the negative and untrue things, etc., you know what I'm talking about. That's not freedom of speech, that just a personal attack. I'm not a real fan of that. I'm sure you can understand that.

I would never say the things that those troll/frolls say and call me, online for a variety of reasons. And if face-to-face, well I think we know where that would lead. As I frequently say, it's easy to be "tough" and "talk smack" over the phone or protection of the net.

Those types are weak cowards. As I said, if stones are thrown at me I'll throw them back. I never attack anyone who does not attack me first.

And yes, I've heard that quote before. wink And of course I'm a bit of history-phile myself. But IIRC, that is your era of expertise. grin

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP25 Jul 2017 1:02 p.m. PST

You disappoint me, Ralph. I would have thought that an American ARMY officer would be particularly dedicated to defending American ideals. This of course includes Freedom of Speech, especially and particularly offensive speech. I guess not.
From what you said I can only assume that you believe that only gamers whose figures wear tricornes and powdered wigs care about such values.
I'm sorry you feel that way, that those who care about concrete freedoms, are odd.
Oh sure, you believe in "Freedom" in the abstract, but not when the rubber hits the road.
"I may not agree with what you say, so I reserve the right to report you to Higher Authority."

Legion 425 Jul 2017 1:45 p.m. PST

Well John I don't think you are correct. I have no problem with freedom of speech, even here on TMP(!). But many times I'm personally attacked, insulted, berated, demeaned, etc. and you know who/why those frolls do that. And often it seems. So that is what you mean " when the rubber hits the road." ? It's alright to call me very rude names, lies, etc.? I do see that is freedom of speech … not at all …

So I guess I don't like "freedom of speech" as you call it, when I'm called those types of things meant directly to attack me. Not my position on a topic. But attacked personally just because I am who I am.

"I may not agree with what you say, so I reserve the right to report you to Higher Authority."
I can't imagine a scenario where I would let trolls/frolls call me the things they do. And I'd turn the other cheek. Would you ?

If someone says I think you are wrong about what you said concerning Amph Tanks at Normandy. Then I have no problem with that. But if they call me … well you know those names they do … That is not freedom of speech, IMO.
It's name calling, to attempt to demean, etc., me.

Again that's not freedom speech … that is naming calling. And my only choice is to turn them in. As I have no other recourse IMO. And many times I don't turn them in, some get there before I do. Even Bill …

I could find some of the posts but it's not really worth the time as you know what is said about me. And I Don't like it … And if face to face, it would be a different outcome.

Some can basically say anything they want, IMO. Until they call me rude, mean spirited, etc. names … Again, that's not freedom of speech … that's attacking me personally … That may be their opinion of me … If I said my opinion of them, Bill would DH me … at least …

Maybe you like being called those type of names ? I don't … and it appears neither does Bill and others.

And yes I'd taken an oath to defend the Constitution. But no where does it say, anything about personal attacks[on me !].

Again IMO those froll attacks have nothing to do with freedom of speech … I'm sure Bill and others would agree. Even if you don't ?

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP25 Jul 2017 2:45 p.m. PST

Ralph.
Freedom of Speech is absolute. There is no provision in the 1st Amendment that says "except if it hurts Ralph's feelings."

I've seen you in action, back when you were allowed on Ultramodern. You claim a special degree of expertise on just about everything, because you were in the ARMY.
I have news for you. That does not make you infallible. Yet you seemed to think it did. Questioning your opinion was a triggering offense. You would retreat to your Safe Space by reporting anyone who questioned your expertise to an Editor.
Having served in the ARMY did not make you an expert on everything from the price of yak butter to how to settle an insurgency. It merely made you another guy with an opinion. Yet you claimed that anyone who disagreed with you was making a personal attack.

You do not have the right to not be offended. That's for those majoring in Gender Studies at Oberlin or Brown.
Claiming the privilege of not being offended is the hallmark of not only a Snowflake, but Deleted by Moderator

Dwindling Gravitas Inactive Member25 Jul 2017 3:27 p.m. PST

:-)

Gwydion25 Jul 2017 3:49 p.m. PST

I'm sorry. I've just walked into this bar – what the heck's a 'froll'?

Legion 425 Jul 2017 3:53 p.m. PST

I see John … I don't agree with all you said. And it seems we may well agree to disagree. As you have made up your mind. And I made mine. A frankly, I don't see what freedom of speech has to do with trolls/frolls making personal attacks. I don't think in the big picture it really matters. Anywhere but here.

And I didn't say I was an expert on everything in the Army. Only those things I was trained & experienced in. And not ever used the term expert, IIRC. But you can and will say things that fits your narrative of me. As do others. And I in return …

Never said I was infallible. But again that may be your opinion.

Deleted by Moderator

ITALWARS Supporting Member of TMP26 Jul 2017 2:11 a.m. PST

TMP allow a good degree of freedom of speach..also at the cost of putting the moderators in peril to be heavily criticised for not sanctioning some particular "out of the line opinions"..like me for example…and that freedom is typical of US way of thinking, different from our decadent continent or my poor country conditioning of minds, that 's one of the reasons i like this forum…and we are all very lucky for being allowed to enjoy this delicate balancment between what is urbane and polite and what is free…but please John and others , in view of that freedom of expression that have been granted us at a certain high price, why don't we all conform with that?…why for ex.this gang agression , and it's not the first time, Vs Legion 4 that is saying the most obvious and sensible things and, above all, in a polite and elegant way taht few among us are capable to show?…are we all becoming envious? the rule should be, according to some, the more you scream the better is?
a last consideration..if Legion 4 has been in the Army..and, as i imagine, whith active service..it is obviously an expert practically on everything in the Army above all if compared with us..and those who deny that are wrong..what 's strange with that?.

Legion 426 Jul 2017 5:32 a.m. PST

why for ex.this gang agression , and it's not the first time, Vs Legion 4 that is saying the most obvious and sensible things and, above all, in a polite and elegant way taht few among us are capable to show?…are we all becoming envious? the rule should be, according to some, the more you scream the better is?
Wow ! Finally a civil post, that is not full of vitriol, demeaning, etc., etc. … Thank you !

a last consideration..if Legion 4 has been in the Army..and, as i imagine, whith active service..it is obviously an expert practically on everything in the Army above all if compared with us..and those who deny that are wrong..what 's strange with that?.
Yes, Thank you again, after 10+ years on active duty with 4 Infantry Bns[1 Air Assault, 3 Mech] 1 CBT SPT Bn and 1 Mech Hvy Bde HQ. I think it would only be "logical" that I have a very good "working knowledge" of many things that occur at Bde level and below. In Infantry and Armor units. I was also an Bn MI Ofr of a CBT SPT Bn in the Reserves for @ 1 year.

I don't see why that upsets some when I use that training & experience to my posts. For veracity, etc. On a site about war gaming, Mil history and modelling, etc.

And I don't think that some realize that I would not be the only Ofr or NCO in any unit I served with, especially CBT Arms. That if someone said some of the things said to me here were face-to-face. With them … "The Troll/froll" would not like the outcome.

So by me getting mad because some one on a site where grown men(?) who play with toys makes personal attacks on me. I don't think that should be a surprise to anyone. And of course I will retaliate, and hitting [!] is an effective way to combat those types. Without cluttering up the boards with constant arguing and name calling.

As we see here on this thread. And others … e.g. TMP link

And again, I don't see much of a link between supposed adults on a site about playing with toys. Where freedom of speech comes into play from the level that the Founding Fathers had in mind. Washington and Jefferson not withstanding, this site is owned and run by Bill. HE is the Higher Authority …

He decides what is "proper" with what is posted/discussed here.

And he has made it clear personal attacks are not to occur.

Again regardless what someone may think about freedom of speech has to do with playing with toy soldiers(?). That is not in the Founding Father's hands' … But here in this little slice of the virtual universe in it's Bill's …

And as I said I have been DH'd and Locked Out by Bill a number of times. He and I don't always agree. But I understand [after some trial & error] … HE's in charge. Whether I or anyone else likes it or not … We play by his rules. Not Washington's, Adam's, etc.,…

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP26 Jul 2017 7:04 a.m. PST

As Le Petomaine famously said on the eve of his famous duel with Chartreuse-Poisson in 1737, "The only way an insult can injure me is if I acknowledge its essential truth." I forget who won the duel, but the net result was one fewer aristocrat.

Next up, some fake bons mots from Doctor Johnson.

I'm glad to see you reveal your true feelings about Washington and Adams etc.

Legion 426 Jul 2017 2:51 p.m. PST

I just don't see your goal or objective here. What is you point to constantly berate, etc. me/my posts ? I don't think you have one save for trying start up trouble with me, or so it seems.

Seems you have a problem with me, even after I tried to be magnanimous, conciliatory, etc. So that's on you IMO.

And again, the 1st Amend, the Founding Father's have little anything to do with the fact that this is Bill's site. He is judge, jury and executioner if need be. That has to be even clear to you. And again I don't see your point other than trying to demean, insult, etc., me.

You as just mudding up your narrative, with many of you remarks in an attempt to deflect the fact you have no objective but to attack me personally.

Here's a news flash … this is NOT what this site is about.

And my true feeling about Washington, Adams, etc. is pretty much like many who like and live in the US today. But they and the 1st Amend. don't have anything to do with me on Bill's site, as you trying to some how work it in to an argument with me. You do this often, purposely trying to start an argument.

Again I don't see your point. If you actually have one, which more and more in this argument I see you have none. But for some reason you attack me, my CV, beliefs, etc.

injure me is if I acknowledge its essential truth."

What essential truth are you talking about ? Besides you just want to start a trouble with me. And make outrageous statements. I have nothing to hide, I even use my real name in my profile. I freely say where I live. Who I am and what I have done in my past, etc.

And yes you must know my true feelings about you, your essential truths or what you think are absolutes, etc. But sadly I can't say those words here. But you can use your broad imagination. You seem to have no problem with that when it comes to me, who I am, what I stand for, etc.

What is the essential truth you are trying to say that involves me ? I am not a lying, embellishing, making things up, etc., about me or anything for that matter. You ?

And as far as bon motes, I find none of those coming from you i.e. witty remarks, pleasantry, jest, joke, etc. I see just the opposite. Again, that is on you …

Personal logo John the OFM Supporting Member of TMP26 Jul 2017 7:31 p.m. PST

I do not like thee, Doctor Fell,
The reason why – I cannot tell;
But this I know, and know full well,
I do not like thee, Doctor Fell.

Actually, it's not that much of a mystery.
You like to taunt ex-members right after they have been banned.
TMP link

And you freely admit that you love to tattle, stool pigeon, rat on, inform on etc etc etc members who have crossed your imaginary line. Only the late unlamented Trenchraider was quicker on the snitch button.

I respect many people with whom I disagree vehemently. But I cannot respect anyone who dances on graves, and who live to be an informant.

There are many juicy quotes by Doctor Johnson I could aply here, but you are not worth the sweat on my typing fingers to do a copy and paste.
Have a nice day, Sir.
You know where the complaint button is.

And, it's not "bon motes".

Legion 427 Jul 2017 6:09 a.m. PST

You are just trying to get me to get angry and get me DH'd, etc. Your comments, assumptions, etc. are just You taunting me … And we've covered all this before … about rats, grave dancing etc. Again you are fortunate to only be able to say those skewed comments on line and not to faces of some of my former comrades. They were much "less tolerant" than I. You can get away with that type of thing here online. Your perspectives are based on our very different views of reality. As are mine, to say more would get me DH'd.

Those comments that Bill [wisely] snipped, probably if it was anyone other than you saying those things to me. And vis versa, one or both of would be in the Dog House, as I see it. Bill knows both our predilections and MOs. Maybe he thinks we as adults will talk it out ? As I tried on another thread.

I don't expect you to respect me. Your kind never does … You seem to twist my words, cherry pick, etc., to fit your narrative/agenda. In some imaginary world on a site about grown men who play with toys. Because you hate who I am and what I stand for, etc.

You are purposely looking for an argument. Drag in things that have nothing do with anything. But to attack me and my beliefs.

, but you are not worth the sweat on my typing fingers to do a copy and paste.
Thank the Gods … you believe that I'm not worth your time. I'm pretty sure you know I feel the same about you.

And YOU know where the [!] button is as well. But your reality of the world is again, very different than mine.

Have a nice day, Sir.
You have a nice day if you could ? You don't really have the CV to call me Sir … it would be a waste of time to try to explain to you why. Those that come from your POV, never would.

And the best you can do is say I spelled "bon mots" wrong ? I assure it was auto-correct. But you are doing anything to get me DH'd are you not ? I clearly see your skewed MO when it comes to me and my views.

I assure you we will have more arguments in the future. It is a given. As I am not going to change my views of you and in turn you on I. [I'm trying very earnestly to not say anything that would get me DH'd.]

ITALWARS Supporting Member of TMP27 Jul 2017 6:37 a.m. PST

Gentlemen
please but which is the contest?
John i always read with interest your posts…above all with TSATF and AWI …i even make treasure of the suggestions , as concern TSTAF amendments, for AWI..that, at least, solved my question on how to make this game systhem playable for my Vendée war (not very different from your favourite AWI)…but it's the first time that i read you arguing …i must admit that "Le Petomaine " it's very amusing and ingenious joke that i'v already adressed today to a colleague who is pulling my legs :-)-…
but said that why arguing with Legion 4? you, him and a few others are among a not very big group of people that have a relaxed approach here…so why arguing for nothing?..i 'm sorry if i said that, i really do not want to appear as somebody that teach you anything…as it's not the case..maybe it could be the opposite in this forum because i'm a newcomer and English is not my first language..but i imagine that somebody who is a former Military Service man…and above all a leader in the Armed Forces, like Legion 4, is ..should be respected…..i suppose, i may be wrong, but someone who represent, even in a hobby forum, the US Army which is , at this very time, fighting for our freedom and honour in distant lands…deserves, for his symbol and his experience..all the possible respect
said that ..sorry again John if i appear intrusive..it's only because i always enjoyed to read postings from both you and Legion 4

Winston Smith Supporting Member of TMP27 Jul 2017 6:46 a.m. PST

You have a nice day if you could ? You don't really have the CV to call me Sir … it would be a waste of time to try to explain to you why. Those that come from your POV, never would.

And that, Sir, is in a nutshell what rubs me the wrong way. Look up "Sir" in a dictionary and you will find many definitions and used.
I am using it in the ironic Samuel Johnson manner. It is an affectation of mine to use it when …. Oh, here are two examples:
"Depend upon it, sir, when a man knows he is to be hanged in a fortnight, it concentrates his mind wonderfully."
from Boswell's Life of Johnson
"Sir, I have found you an argument; but I am not obliged to find you an understanding."
from Boswell's Life of Johnson

You seem to think that since I did not serve in the ARMY, that I don't even have the right to use the word "sir". Remarkable.
Again, even though you deny it, you think your CV entitles you to unique expertise in all areas.

Topic: "What is a good recipe for cockaleekie soup"?
You: "Well, when I was in the ARMY, my honor code…."
Topic: "Should I use black primer when painting knights?"
You: "Well, when I was in the ARMY….."

Final word on Sir. A retired sergeant once said to me, "Don't call me Sir. I worked for a living."

Legion 427 Jul 2017 7:02 a.m. PST

Thank you again very much ITALWARS for you direct comments with no vitriol, derision, contempt, etc. I'm glad to hear you seems to get where I'm coming from. So to speak …

You not being from the USA. don't know how much disdain,, etc. many in my country had and still have for the military. 9/11 changed much of that though. When I started Officer training while going to the local university in '75. Just after the Vietnam War. In many cases when we were in uniform we were not treated very well by the civilian population. But we didn't really care, we all volunteered to do our duty and serve our nation. Regardless of what other may have thought of us.

And some like I find here on TMP don't like what I have to say, what I do, or why, etc. Most Vets do, I believe, but some don't. I can be outspoken, controversial to some, stubborn, heavy handed in my beliefs.

Regardless, some will not stop attacking me and my views for a number of reasons. And I in turn will not stop replying as that is the way I am. I'm not one to turn the other cheek. Or generally give up or give in. Unless it is to my "tactical advantage". wink

I'm sure John [& others] and I will never get along. As he and some others from the US and UK, etc., will always see me as "bad" or "wrong", etc. They will continue to berate me for me being "me". So be it. Again, it's easy to make personal attacks with the protection of the net in between.

But thank you again, I appreciate your insightful words. thumbs up

As you can see by John's last post … nothing will change between us … It is a waste of time for me to reply directly in this case. As it is clear to me he is only trying to continue to argue and get Bill to send me to the dog house …

ITALWARS Supporting Member of TMP27 Jul 2017 7:19 a.m. PST

Legion 4…it's a pleasure for me to speak with veterans and former/active servicemen from your country..and from UK ecc…in my country there s'nt that image…so don't worry and do not spoil your afternoon..just drink a beer and relax (are they good the beers in USA?)
i'm sure between John and you what De Gaule called " La Paix des Braves" is possible ..because you're 2 distinguished persons
regards

Legion 427 Jul 2017 8:24 a.m. PST

Again Thank You very much. I appreciate it. I must learn not to get into arguments that really don't matter. Or at all.

I'm sorry to hear in your country the military is not looked upon as it is in the US. But every country is different.

As far as US beers, it's been a while since I had any. But I remember Budweiser, Coors, Sam Adams, and the newer one is Yuengling. If you get a chance … try them. They are generally lighter beer than many in Europe. And in the US I know we like our beer very cold !

I was at Octoberfest in Munich in '88. I had to stay sober, to keep the "troops" under control ! So that would be the place to drink beer ! grin

Many thanks again ! thumbs up

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