Thomas Whitten | 08 Jun 2017 12:41 p.m. PST |
I enjoy both 40k and Zombicide. And if I simply wait after a year from the initial release, I can pick up Zombiecide for pennies on the dollar. See them all the time at the various convention bring-and-buys or local game store garage sales. |
Mithmee | 08 Jun 2017 1:02 p.m. PST |
,q>The guy probably doesn't like you so he is giving you the jerk discount. Actually the owner and I are friends and have been for the past 20 years. But think what you will. |
Mithmee | 08 Jun 2017 1:13 p.m. PST |
His belief that he had been priced out of the GW market long ago. Really! I have been priced out of the GW market? I make six figures after taxes but I must not have enough money to buy their overprice miniatures. How about that I already have several large armies and their current designs are as good as you think they are. Plus their long record of killing off games and screwing over their customers. Nope, it because I have been priced out of their market. Funny in the last several years I have added armies to my collection (three armies) and did it for far less money. What GW has done is priced new players from having 7-10 armies like I have. |
15mm and 28mm Fanatik | 08 Jun 2017 1:20 p.m. PST |
So Mithmee is actually a GW fanboy who only recently added 3 new armies to his extensive 40K collection of 7-10 armies (more than me, I only have 5 so jealous) but is doing his best to tell people not to buy GW? Don't be a hypocrite. |
Capt Flash | 08 Jun 2017 1:36 p.m. PST |
Armies that I sold off: Tyranids(2), Craftworld Iyanden, Craftworld Biel Tan, Tau, Speed Freeks, Sisters Of Battle, Grey Knights, plus several starter armies. What do I own? Blood Angels, Iron Warriors(40k), Iron Warriors(HH), Iron Hands(HH), Death Guard, Catachans, Legion of The Damned(army), Generic Space Marines, Ork Foot Sloggers, Tyranids, Imperial Knights, and Tau. And a collected yet unassembled Night Lords army. Plus 8 ten man squads of Wargames Factory Shocktroopers, four rhinos and four Predators for them, 40 Eisenkern Storm Troopers and 20 Valkyr. So who wants to go to war? |
malleman | 08 Jun 2017 2:17 p.m. PST |
Actually the owner and I are friends and have been for the past 20 years. Does he know that? |
malleman | 08 Jun 2017 2:19 p.m. PST |
But think what you will I think that your FLGS must be under a bridge :) |
Legion 4 | 08 Jun 2017 3:37 p.m. PST |
Geez guys … were talking about toys … again. No need to get upset about it, I'd think. |
malleman | 08 Jun 2017 4:54 p.m. PST |
Right Legion, toys. I consider it a hobby, just like at my age fishing, hunting, golf, etc. If we are trying to have a conversation about our interest, there is no need for someone to constantly berate our choice. This is the Warhammer 40K board after all and I come here to enjoy my hobby, not to consistently read crap from someone who has been upset about a company's decision to change things up almost 20 years ago. Boohoo! If we were on a NFL team discussion board or Tiger Droppings talking smack about our teams I would have fun, but we are not. We are here to enjoy a common interest, not defend it from a constant bombardment from a stick in the mud who has issues with OUR choice to enjoy GW. |
Mithmee | 08 Jun 2017 5:10 p.m. PST |
doing his best to tell people not to buy GW? That is because those three new armies came from Mantic Games and not GW. But yes I am saying that there are other companies out there besides GW. Does he know that? Yes |
malleman | 08 Jun 2017 6:15 p.m. PST |
The Mantic miniatures I had did not have crisp detail. Also, the mold lines were hard to clean up (and there were a lot) because they were made of some kind of plastic resin.
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Codsticker | 08 Jun 2017 6:52 p.m. PST |
Although 8th does peak my interest I won't be buying the box set or the Zombicide game. |
Capt Flash | 08 Jun 2017 7:10 p.m. PST |
I'm getting the rule book for $30 USD from a buddy who's buying two boxed sets. Although I'd like to get some of the new marine figures, I have too much in the painting cue and I'm also doing a lot of gaming 1st edition Warzone, so I'm also painting more of that up just for completeness' sake. |
Pictors Studio | 09 Jun 2017 5:27 a.m. PST |
I'd also like to point out that the Zombiecide game isn't $120 USD either in Washington state, it is that plus the sales tax you owe on it. When you order from out of state you are responsible for use tax which is equal to the sales tax. So the actual price would be something more like $130 USD than $120. USD Since that $120 USD is apparently firm, based on the kickstarter, and use tax is due on it, the $130 USD price is not far from the $136 USD I ended up paying for the 8th edition starter set with the discount I got at my FLGS. |
FincasKhalmoril | 09 Jun 2017 6:24 a.m. PST |
@ Pictor: you need to add postage, too, since you cannot buy Zombicide in a shop. Depending on where you live that can be: $10 USD-20 most US, but Alaska, Haiwai and Puerto Rico its $50 USD $20 USD-30 to European Union $35 USD-40 non EU Europe $20 USD-45 Down Under $15 USD-30 Canada $60 USD-70 Israel, South America, Liechtenstein and Serbia To name just a few. |
Pictors Studio | 09 Jun 2017 6:28 a.m. PST |
So you're telling me that if I bought Zoimbiecide in NJ, not only would I owe the state the $7 USD or so use tax that I would have to pay on it, there would be shipping on top of that? Then it would seem that the $120 USD price that the OP posted in comparison to the $170 USD price he posted as cost of 8th is a little disingenuous at the very least. The actual cost to me for Zombiecide would be something more like $140 USD after shipping and tax, making it cost more than what I paid for the 8th edition set. Well that puts things in a different light. |
Legion 4 | 09 Jun 2017 6:39 a.m. PST |
If we were on a NFL team Whoa ! Whoa ! I Live between Cleveland and Pittsburg … Those discussions can get down right angry, especially after the guys have a few beers ! |
Eclipsing Binaries | 09 Jun 2017 6:45 a.m. PST |
Pictors, you are only fuelling the fire. He won't compare these two products fairly – that was never his intention. He only wants an argument, he will never admit if he is wrong, and certainly won't allow you your opinion. So no point in continuing the thread. |
Capt Flash | 09 Jun 2017 7:05 a.m. PST |
Someone mentioned something about not feeding the Trolls… 😂 |
Bob Runnicles | 09 Jun 2017 7:47 a.m. PST |
"The actual cost to me for Zombiecide would be something more like $140 USD USD after shipping and tax, making it cost more than what I paid for the 8th edition set." AND you get to wait a year for Zombicide to come out :) |
15mm and 28mm Fanatik | 09 Jun 2017 10:03 a.m. PST |
those three new armies came from Mantic Games and not GW Even if the minis are comparable to Citadel's, the armies are not compatible with 40K armies. The style and weapons are totally different. No one in my area plays 'Deadzone' or 'Warpath,' so getting Mantic armies would be a total waste no matter how "cheap" they are. |
Earl of the North | 09 Jun 2017 12:44 p.m. PST |
Rather than buy 8th edition which I never had any plans to buy anyway I bought Dawn of War, Master Collection. |
IronMike | 12 Jun 2017 4:33 p.m. PST |
Am I going to buy 8th? Probably not. WH40k just isn't where my wargaming head is right now. Am I going to buy products other than 40k? Most definitely: When the new ORGE miniatures hit retail I'll be on those like white on rice on a paper plate with a side of milk in a snowstorm! Northstar is finally putting out those dwarves and elves they've been promising since SALUTE? Oh, shut up and take my money! And when I do drop the bank on those am I gonna wave my gamer peen at GW, chanting "You're not getting my money! You're not getting my money! NyahNyahNyahNyahNyahNyah!" ? No, because I'm not a virtue-signalling prat that is demanding to be admired and respected for not doing something I wasn't going to do anyway! |
Mithmee | 12 Jun 2017 9:45 p.m. PST |
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DropKick1971 | 13 Jun 2017 5:20 p.m. PST |
Cool…maybe someday I can be so wealthy that I have nothing to do but troll people on the internet. |
Centurio Prime | 14 Jun 2017 5:14 a.m. PST |
Free time can be a form of wealth |
Baranovich | 14 Jun 2017 5:49 a.m. PST |
"I make six figures"…so I COULD buy GW's entire stock if I wanted to but I'm so principled that I avoid them… This has to be one of the most narcissistic things I have ever heard. Anybody ever heard of a channel on Youtube called "Sustainable Center"? It's now called "HR". This thread reminds me of that. A guy named Anthony who made a second career (his first career is HR manager which he has to tell you in every f*g video he makes to remind us all of how smart he is) of telling us how evil GW was and is…but then proceeds to martyr himself by telling us the vast quantities of money and time he's put into those very same GW miniatures and games. I have no patience for it. I have clearly shown in other threads that GW in many instances is NOT the most expensive mini. choice out there, that was true for Warhammer and it's still true now. Other companies regularly charge just as much and in many cases charge MORE…but it's disguised by clever product structuring and clever marketing (FFG's RUNEWARS, please?). Sorry Mithmee, but comparing a Zombicide starter box to a GW Warhanmmer 40k starter box is like comparing, all due respect to Zombicide, comparing filet minion to a bologna sandwich. Sorry, it just is. You CANNOT simply go by a straight up which-one-is-cheaper price wise. GW puts more money and effort into its photography, story, miniatures and overall production than most gaming companies do. That has to be factored into the cost as well. You've worn it out Mithmee. You've just worn it out. We GET it. You don't like everything that GW has done over the years. COOL. So don't like them. Is it necessary to continually martyr yourself over it? |
Mithmee | 14 Jun 2017 1:26 p.m. PST |
Baranovich, I will agree that Fantasy Flight is going to have a hard time selling those expansion at those current prices. So don't like them. Is it necessary to continually martyr yourself over it. So don't like them. Is it necessary to continually martyr yourself over it? Not martyring myself but if someone tries to push them as the greatest thing ever I will more than likely response that they are not. Oh and I can I get that Bologna sandwich with Cheese. |
Zephyr1 | 14 Jun 2017 2:34 p.m. PST |
I didn't win the Lotto Powerball, so I won't be buying either game… :-( |
The Beast Rampant | 14 Jun 2017 7:54 p.m. PST |
For a few weeks, we had a lively discussion going on here on the 40K board. But for days on end, nothing save this tiresome mess. |
Centurio Prime | 15 Jun 2017 6:33 a.m. PST |
Why did you say $170 USD+ when the MSRP for the 40k 8th edition box is $160 USD??? |
The Beast Rampant | 15 Jun 2017 9:03 a.m. PST |
I wondered that too, but was too afraid to ask. I assume tax on one, shipping cost on the other? The Zombicide KS is itself $120 USD, with a starting $10 USD US shipping. |
Bob Runnicles | 15 Jun 2017 11:14 a.m. PST |
Yeah he's charging himself full cost on the 40K set plus tax as opposed to a discounted cost that most folks buying from an FLGS will get. Note there is zero scope for discount on the kickstarter, that price is locked in. |
Centurio Prime | 15 Jun 2017 3:50 p.m. PST |
It's fairly to find a place to pre order an 8th ed starter for about $130 USD, most likely with free shipping. So once again, Mithmee is wrong on every count. |
Baranovich | 15 Jun 2017 8:47 p.m. PST |
@Centurio Prime, Precisely! And not only that, but Ebay now has literally a hundred or more permanent hobby wargaming dealers that specifically carry stocks of NEW GW items, just like a brick and mortar store would. And as you said, free shipping is widely available, many of these Ebay dealers offer free shipping which is one of their selling points because they know wargamers will look for that when buying stuff online. Even better is that these dealers even let you pre-order stuff when a release date is coming up. It's just like dealing with an actual physical store, except that stuff is being shipped to you. AND, Ebay dealers often knock off 10% or more off the retail price that GW charges from their own site! So essentially their business is to buy from GW wholesale, then take that stock and sell it shipping-free and at a discount, and they still make a profit off of each sale. That is the core of their business model. And they've been doing it successfully on Ebay for years. So the whole, classic dramatic premise that we're slaves to paying "full price from GW's bloated price structure" is nothing but worn out hyperbole. And by buying GW stock new off Ebay, you're not doing some kind of "end around" and denying GW a sale! Why? Well duh, because the GW stock you are buying from an Ebay dealer had to ALSO BE BOUGHT at some point down the line from GW! Yep, 100%. Mithmee is wrong on every count. At some point I expect him to blame GW for the Kennedy assassination. Might as well, apparently their guilty of every other evil committed by mankind in the past 100 years, lol. |
Baranovich | 15 Jun 2017 8:57 p.m. PST |
OH, well GEE will you lookee here! What was I just saying in my post above Mithmee? Here is a pre-order from an Ebay dealer for Warhammer 40k Dark Imperium, BRAND NEW boxed set in the shrinkwrap for…ready? – $136 USD with FREE SHIPPING. You pay a TOTAL of $136 USD to have Dark Imperium shipped right to your door. auction Oops. Mithmee, kindly do some basic research before you go and try to discourage people from buying GW products with your dramatic claims of being "ripped off" by an "evil company". |
Baranovich | 15 Jun 2017 9:04 p.m. PST |
OH LOOK…it's the hardcover rulebook for 40k 8th Edition. Preorder for $50.95 USD, almost ten dollars knocked off the retail price with FREE SHIPPING. auction Here's the 40k 8th Edition hardcover rulebook for – ready? $34.95 USD. LIKE NEW CONDITION. That's like over 40% off the retail price. auction Here's the new 8th Edition index/codex books for the factions. $22.00 USD each, three dollars off the retail price with FREE SHIPPING. auction And on and on and on… :) |
alpha3six | 15 Jun 2017 11:43 p.m. PST |
I will agree that Fantasy Flight is going to have a hard time selling those expansion at those current prices. See I'm not sure why you insist on promoting expensive mainstream sf/fantasy BOARDgames just because they're not GW products and contain 28mm-ish playing pieces. Are Warhammer players incapable of taking interest in something that isn't sf/fantasy? How's Runewars working out for you? |
Baranovich | 16 Jun 2017 5:24 a.m. PST |
@alpha3six, Indeed. I've been sort of rolling my eyes at Fantasy Flight for a while. Games like X-Wing are awesome but I began to cringe when I saw it gain fame as supposedly being a low barrier-to-entry game. Low barrier well sure, if you're content with playing games with one X-Wing and two Tie-Fighters for the rest of your life! Runewars however is simply right in our faces. Expansion packs of four miniatures for $25. USD If FFG is hoping that Runewars is some kind of competitive answer to AOS or Kings of War I think they are going to be terribly disappointed. |
Bob Runnicles | 16 Jun 2017 1:23 p.m. PST |
But you get a bunch of cards with the minis too! Which ironically is one of the reasons I am staying far away from this one because of all the card shenanigans people pull with X-Wing. Oh, and the cost! |
ced1106 | 17 Jun 2017 6:43 p.m. PST |
Late reply, but, for shopping around, CMON is best bought through KS, and GW through eBay, particularly with it's flash sales. Subscribe to Slick Deals, or watch Dakka News and Rumors, and BGG Hot Deals. Recent flash sales were $15 USD off a $75 USD purchase. You can also get discounts on CMON base games from CoolStuffInc, Cardhaus, and sometimes Miniature Market. Check their Daily Deals. I've also seen Runewars for $70 USD at the OLGS, as well as Mantic armies for $60 USD on eBay. |
Mithmee | 26 Jun 2017 12:45 p.m. PST |
Well there is only like a day left on the Green Horde Kickstarter. Oh and I was wrong it is looking like it will pull in around $4.2 USDM, currently at $4.10 USDM. link Oh and the stretch goals have added another 63 miniatures. |
Pictors Studio | 26 Jun 2017 1:26 p.m. PST |
Oh, but I've already played two games with my 40K 8th edition boxed set. |
Thomas Thomas | 26 Jun 2017 2:06 p.m. PST |
Not sure what all this pixel waste is about. GW is giving the rules away for free – my FLGS had a color copy they just gave away and you can download from the GW website. The bloated hard cover book is just a bunch of fluff. You still need to buy expensive army lists though… Played in a 40K tournament over the weekend and can say without reservation that the rules are a fair deal – they were worth exactly what I paid for them: nothing. TomT |
Pictors Studio | 26 Jun 2017 2:22 p.m. PST |
Odd, I've played two games with them so far and both games were very good. They were worth what I paid for them and I got the boxed set. |
Mithmee | 27 Jun 2017 1:24 p.m. PST |
Well looks like I was wrong again since this is going to end up somewhere north of $4.8 USDM. Though a bunch of individuals could jump on it during these last two hours and put it around $4.9 USDM. Maybe might get to $5.0 USDM since that Horde Box for all of the stretch goals would be nice. |
Insomniac | 27 Jun 2017 2:29 p.m. PST |
Two things, Mithmee… 1) Why the continual downer on GW? Will you ever tire of it or is this continuous trolling just what we have to expect forever? Asking a question you know the answer to already, just to extract venom is just trolling… is it something that you need to do or something you just enjoy? 2) A kickstarter is vapour-ware until it arrives (if it ever does… and WHEN it does… Wargods of Olympus is three years and counting at the moment… and don't forget those sci-fi troopers from Defiance). I've bought some 8th miniatures (Primaris from EBay) but that's all. I don't game but don't feel a grudge against any company so badly that it will prevent me buying things I like or continuously rag on them for years on end. Can we ever expect a refrain from this constant trolling or is this a permanent trolling experience? |
Mithmee | 27 Jun 2017 5:35 p.m. PST |
Answers 1. They have a very long history of screwing over their customers over 20 years now. With the release of 8th Edition and these bigger and more expensive Space Marines they are just continuing what they do best. Oh and I do not need to do this but I have always loved a good debate. 2. True there are many Kickstarters that have never delivered the goods. But is coming from Cool Mini or Not who has had many Kickstarters all which have been successful and they have delivered the goods. With Green Horde I have backed three of their kickstarters and a have back a total of 10 kickstarters. Of which I have received five: Gloomhaven Scythe Dungeon Saga Kings or War (2nd Edition) Warpath Still waiting for these: Battletech (longest wait time but it is a computer game) Sentinels of the Multiverse (August delivery) Massive Darkness (a CMoN kickstarter) Rising Sun (another CMoN kickstarter) backed earlier this year Zombicide: Green Horde Like making a decision on whether to buy 8th Edition or not one must be careful on which Kickstarter(s) they back. |
Mithmee | 27 Jun 2017 5:37 p.m. PST |
Oh and Zombicide: Green Horde did finish just slightly over $5 USD million. So quite successful kickstarter. |
GT3000 | 27 Jun 2017 11:24 p.m. PST |
Another classic Mithmee thread. |