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Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP04 Jun 2017 7:16 p.m. PST

Well it is decision time.

What do I get?

Warhammer 40K 8th Edition – $170 USD+

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or

Zombicide Green Horde – $130 USD+

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Both come with Miniatures (though Zombicide will have more)

Warhammer 40K 8th Edition costs more and well it has nothing that I want.

Zombicide has things that I do want and costs less even if I do get some of the extras.

So given the choice I will go with.

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Sorry GW but you still have not won me back and frankly I doubt that you ever will.

Personal logo 28mm Fanatik Supporting Member of TMP04 Jun 2017 7:57 p.m. PST

Enjoy your Zombicide Mithmee. GW won't miss your money. BTW my FLGS sold a record number of "Start Collecting" boxsets this weekend. People are taking advantage of the deals in anticipation of 8th.

Mitochondria04 Jun 2017 8:57 p.m. PST

Good work Mithmee.

You can use those miniatures with your favorite fantasy roleplaying game too!

Personal logo The Beast Rampant Supporting Member of TMP04 Jun 2017 9:18 p.m. PST

Warhammer 40K 8th Edition costs more and well it has nothing that I want.

Well, there you go, then.

The H Man04 Jun 2017 9:37 p.m. PST

So, thats:

marines Vs

nothing
orcs
dark eldar
tyranids
orcs
chaos
orcs
chaos…

Gotten a bit dull of late. What about eldar Vs necrons or something, at least some guard. Poor non marine players are getting swamped by useless sprues. I will never understand their level of popularity, assuming such a level actually exists.

Actually with the new Alien movies buzz, it would have been the time for tyranids Vs guard with industrial (necromunda style) terrain. Their loss.

Codsticker04 Jun 2017 10:42 p.m. PST

Actually with the new Alien movies buzz, it would have been the time for tyranids Vs guard with industrial (necromunda style) terrain. Their loss.

Probably not- I suspect they know their target market pretty good.

Privateer4hire04 Jun 2017 10:54 p.m. PST

Awesome analysis.

The H Man05 Jun 2017 1:07 a.m. PST

Target market? Yeah, guess your right, they would mostly be to young to buy the movie tickets anyway.

Earl of the North05 Jun 2017 3:58 a.m. PST

Okay……

So the decision was not to go with a product you didn't want in favour of a product you do. Doesn't seem that there would be much of a need for a decision.

The H Man05 Jun 2017 4:01 a.m. PST

Do you operate differently Earl?

Le Bovin05 Jun 2017 4:22 a.m. PST

Question for you here Mithmee? please, How do you get from state 1 to state 2 below?

1- I have some free time. Hurray! Now; what to do with it?

2- I will go and make a post on a board about something I loathe to tell the world how much I hate it.

Seriously, I'm not being (only) sarcastic here, I truly don't understand…

My free time is soooo sparse that I literally lost touch with my old gaming buddies (Hi Rod, Don,et al.!) and only ever game one or two hours at a time in my basement with a visiting friend… maybe you have too much time? is that it?

But on the other hand, even if you have too much time… It would NEVER cross my mind to go on a Hockey forum to bitch about their game… EVEN IF I HAD ALL THE FREE TIME I WANTED (or more!). During playoffs, the ambiance is amazing! Seeing peoples having such a good time is contagious, and I catch myself with a big smile on my face… even if I don`t like it myself!!! I can respect those people`s fun, and I can draw some form of happiness in their joy… So, is it that you are simply lacking empathy? or respect for others?

So I truly don`t understand. And would appreciate if you could explain to me and all the others on the 40k board why you keep coming on this board to post awfully negative comments on a simple game that scratch MY itch (not yours, we got that… years ago…).

Jo

EDIT:
No, I'm not in a good mood; I have a metric ton of $#it in my emails that ruined my day instantly, and only wanted to clear my mind by reading up on stuff I love for a few minutes… only to find as much crap in here… I have enough of this…

Earl of the North05 Jun 2017 4:37 a.m. PST

Do you operate differently Earl?,

Doesn't everybody operate differently to this?

I have no interest in buying 40K 8th Edition therefore I will not be comparing it to things I want to buy. Since I've no interest in 40K 8th, I've no need of it in my decision process of which product I should buy.

This seems be yet another Mithmee I hate GW post rather than anything else.

TGerritsen Supporting Member of TMP05 Jun 2017 5:14 a.m. PST

One could get both.

Centurio Prime05 Jun 2017 5:18 a.m. PST

Solution: Buy the product you DON'T want, then continue to post on this site every day about how much you don't like it.

The H Man05 Jun 2017 5:19 a.m. PST

"…explain to me and all the others on the 40k board why you keep coming on this board to post awfully negative comments on a simple game that scratch MY itch…."

Yes, leave their simple game alone.

I think the point is to compare one new release boxed set to another. Sounds fine to me. As it involves 40k, why would you post it anywhere else? Only it was, just look to the left. Problem?

Le Bovin05 Jun 2017 5:42 a.m. PST

Come on, H man…

You know pretty well the intent of that post… it is far from being a simple and honest "consumers review"… you can try and defend that point as much as you want, you know it to be false…

my question stands.

The H Man05 Jun 2017 5:55 a.m. PST

For as long as you don't want an answer I'm sure.

As Mithmee has not passed further comment, I'd say you fell into any trap if one were intended. Though it seems to be others on the war path. I don't know what history you have but it seems pointless.

I'm just looking at it as a post comparing two games. Perhaps others should too.

(I amend that to boxed sets, as the games are not hugely similar)

Le Bovin05 Jun 2017 6:04 a.m. PST

I understand your point, and don`t want to further bother people who were brought here by the Zombicide keyword.

I'll simply repost that question to Mithmee on the next purely 40k post I see…

Earl of the North05 Jun 2017 7:19 a.m. PST

It just seems a strange comparison choice since there is little to no crossover between the games. Zombie orcs and nurgle seems the only tenuous link. Also he doesn't really even compare the two beyond price and his well known hatred of GW.

I often find reviews on TMP that are helpful about games and products I was unaware of, this well wasn't in anyway helpful beyond the discovery that MIthmee might actually like something….so that is a positive.

Earl of the North05 Jun 2017 7:26 a.m. PST

Also is there any info on when the Zombicide Green Horde game will be available or the contents of the game, seems like all the links I can find are for the kickstarter.

Personal logo 28mm Fanatik Supporting Member of TMP05 Jun 2017 8:05 a.m. PST

It's a poor comparison of apples and oranges. One is a boardgame and the other a tabletop game, not to mention the difference in genre (scifi vs. medieval fantasy). The new Zombicide KS is also an expansion of Black Plague, while the new 40K release is an entirely new edition with new rules.

But we shouldn't really be surprised that Mithmee would grasp at straws and stoop to any level to put down the company he hates the most. His bias and prejudice against GW knows no bounds and his anti-GW rants on TMP only turn people off more than anything else.

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Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP05 Jun 2017 12:51 p.m. PST

I suspect they know their target market pretty good.

GW knowing their Target market, begs the question just what is their Target market?

Capt Flash Supporting Member of TMP05 Jun 2017 12:53 p.m. PST

28mm Fanatik, great pic, you got it right.
The trolls supporting the OP, here got it wrong. The OP needs to get off the soap box already. It's becoming toxic and he should make an anti-GW forum where like-minded individuals can all mirthfully decry GW to their heart's content.

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP05 Jun 2017 12:56 p.m. PST

So the decision was not to go with a product you didn't want in favour of a product you do. Doesn't seem that there would be much of a need for a decision.

True, but this is for everyone else who has limited cash to spend and well they might want choices for that limited cash.

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP05 Jun 2017 1:05 p.m. PST

So I truly don`t understand. And would appreciate if you could explain to me and all the others on the 40k board why you keep coming on this board to post awfully negative comments on a simple game that scratch MY itch (not yours, we got that… years ago…).

Well someone needs to give opposing views, GW is not the only Miniature Gaming company and their Miniatures are not the greatest in the world (the Perry Brothers are far better or and cheaper as well).

Their Rules leave a lot to be desired and it is interesting how they take a set of rules that should be only around 30-40 pages and turn them into nearly 300 pages.

Then once the rules are out they have to issue page after page of FAQ's.

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP05 Jun 2017 1:06 p.m. PST

One is a boardgame and the other a tabletop game

Well actually it is quite easy to take the Boardgame and make a Tabletop game out of it.

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP05 Jun 2017 1:08 p.m. PST

Also is there any info on when the Zombicide Green Horde game will be available or the contents of the game, seems like all the links I can find are for the kickstarter.

Right now it is a Kickstarter and the initial contents can be found on the Kickstarter page.

What the end contents will be…

Well it will be quite a bit since Cool Mini or Not CMoN does petty good kickstarters.

The game will ship sometime next year.

Earl of the North05 Jun 2017 3:01 p.m. PST

So its a choice comparison between a game who don't want and a game you cannot purchase (for a while)?

evil grin

The H Man05 Jun 2017 4:05 p.m. PST

Not seeing much of this soap box or anti GW from mithmee above. Seems others are more irate.

Clear clean points mithmee. Well said. Others could learn, even me.

I feel apart from a starter set for beginners, much, if not most of the 40k box sales are usually existing players who often may buy multiple boxes. Sales of this box cannot indicate number of new players. If it was assumed it may. I think people buy it for a cheap source of minis. Also selling/swapping bits they don't want. Interestingly this may dramatically increase this time around, particularly if the book is not available separately? Many players may just want the book.

The H Man05 Jun 2017 4:24 p.m. PST

At least GW aren't trying to lock anyone into having to use 32mm bases.

(That is a joke, by the way)

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP05 Jun 2017 5:25 p.m. PST

So its a choice comparison between a game who don't want and a game you cannot purchase (for a while)?

Yes but when I do get it will have more than twice the number of miniatures than the GW's for less money.

Oh and Miniatures that I can use for Green Horde or anything else Fantasy.

That is the nice thing about these games.

Catoblepas05 Jun 2017 7:41 p.m. PST

I'm definitely more interested in the Zombicide stuff, lots of potential to use those characters for games like Frostgrave. I'm less interested in the zombies this time around. To me the Orc and goblin zombies seem much more…niche in their usefulness for a lot of stuff I do.

Mitochondria05 Jun 2017 9:30 p.m. PST

GW has earned every iota of hate they having coming their way.

Earl of the North06 Jun 2017 1:35 a.m. PST

That should have been….So it's a choice between a game you don't want and a game you cannot purchase (for a while)?

really should have checked that.

Since the games not out for retail do we know how many miniatures you would be getting in green horde or indeed that the price will be what you think its going to be?

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP06 Jun 2017 2:03 p.m. PST

Kickstarter price is $120 USD and base set come with 72 miniatures.

But there are another 43 miniatures that been reached with the stretch goals and by the time it is done that number will have grown.

When all said and done it should have around 130 or more miniatures.

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Oh and GW wish they will sell as many copies of 8th Edition as Green Horde will.

wehrmacht07 Jun 2017 9:14 a.m. PST

Those two products are not competitive with each other in any meaningful way.

Other than that… I will have my copy of 8th on 17 June. When do you get your Zombicide box? ;-)

Cheers

w.

Bob Runnicles07 Jun 2017 11:36 a.m. PST

I play 40K and I play Zombicide (we just finished playing through Zombicide Black Plague last week). I guess I'll be picking up both, since I enjoy both games (even if that might seem heretical to some). And I can enjoy 40K for the next year while I'm waiting for Green Horde to come out – sounds like a win/win scenario to me :)

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP07 Jun 2017 5:40 p.m. PST

When do you get your Zombicide box?

Next year but I am willing to wait and get more miniatures for less money.

As I stated there is nothing in that 8th Edition box set that I need or want.

Privateer4hire07 Jun 2017 7:17 p.m. PST

8th edition starter box is $160 USD USD not the $170 USD you have in your first post.

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP07 Jun 2017 8:12 p.m. PST

He has never really let facts get in the way of his ranting before, I'm not sure you're going to get him to start now.

I just pre-ordered my copy of 8th edition today at my FLGS. They were having a 15% discount on pre-orders so it came out to $136. USD

It should be here next Saturday.

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP07 Jun 2017 8:54 p.m. PST

It is with taxes and where I live it is more than $170. USD

malleman07 Jun 2017 10:13 p.m. PST

The guy probably doesn't like you so he is giving you the jerk discount. That way you don't bother the other people at your FLGS with all of your whining.

Privateer4hire07 Jun 2017 10:29 p.m. PST

Does CMON/whoever cover shipping costs for Zombicide Green Horde in the $130 USD?

FincasKhalmoril07 Jun 2017 10:51 p.m. PST

CMON do make nice Kickstarters.

But honestly: they're cheap, because it's monopose soft plastics that are produced in China AND they take your money and you only get the product in a year or so – if you're lucky – AND there is a hefty 30-40$ added for P&P at least in the region where I live. In addition all Zombicides are succesful because they "lend" other people's IP and make money out of it.

GW on the other hand are expensive because: it's multipart hard plastics with better details AND you get a thick bound tome of fluff in addition to the rules AND GW has a monthly magazine and runs shops, where they do pay taxes and create jobs, AND I can get it without P&P from most sellers a few days after it's released.

So both are expensive, both have different target aufiences and both a good products. If I had enough money, I'd take both.

Be it as it is I play 40k im 15mm, leave Zombicide, enjoy Oldhammer and wait for my last CMON Kickstarter…

alpha3six08 Jun 2017 3:10 a.m. PST

Well someone needs to give opposing views, GW is not the only Miniature Gaming company and their Miniatures are not the greatest in the world (the Perry Brothers are far better or and cheaper as well).

TMPers are unlikely to require illumination regarding the existence of games outside the GW Hobby. It'd be more effective to picket a Warhammer Store.

Capt Flash Supporting Member of TMP08 Jun 2017 5:11 a.m. PST

H Man- It is a soapbox- how often do we need to hear his rants. If you don't consider it a soapbox, it's likely because, as you've demonstrated before, you like to attack people who like GW products with weak attempts at trolling.
Mithmee's constant ranting on the various GW threads is indeed trolling as well.
There is nothing to learn. This isn't the 80's where the "real" games are not easily unobtainable. Fact: GW remains immensely popular regardless of whether their rules are garbage, which they are not. The GW Hobby(as in everything is GW related, much like Napoleonics are a Napoleonic Hobby ) has provided thousands of hours of enjoyment, much like any other hobby.
Fact: at my local shop there are around 40-45 regular Friday night league players with a number casual players. There's at least two other shops with active vibrant leagues.
@ Alpha3six- very true. Better yet, how about they leave the GW fanboys alone and let them joy their Hobby?

My point bottom line: Don't rain on other people's parade.

Legion 408 Jun 2017 5:49 a.m. PST

Sorry GW but you still have not won me back and frankly I doubt that you ever will.
Well I generally feel about the same. But that being said, I've been collecting GW/FW's Epic since '90. I quit having anything to do GW basically since after E:A. But I'm still painting up my 6mm GW/FW and have added other 6mm SF from other sources as well.

So I guess I have a "love-hate relationship" with GW/FW. I also have about 10 years worth of WD mags. Stopped getting those a long time ago too. However they are all on shelves in my "Black Library" in my "game/war/play" room.

With the pending release of the Epic AT in 8mm, I won't be getting anything from that release or even if they do future 8mm Epic. I've got some much 6mm Epic/SF to do. I may never get it all done ! huh?

All that being said, much of GW/FW's models have been going more & more way over-the-top for my tastes. I'm more of a hard core Sci-fi type. And not very much at all the GW/FW 40K Sci-fantasy take, IMO.

BUT … I always say … Do what works for U … not me … And again, this site, GW/FW, etc. is all about grown adult(s) playing with toys. TMP link If we don't remember that. Well we need to make the fact/assumption/paradigm, etc. much more often and clear in contentious "chats" about us playing with toys. Just say'n …

Eclipsing Binaries08 Jun 2017 6:03 a.m. PST

Mithmee only posts to get a reaction, then comments to continue the reaction. This 40k v Zombiecide thread has absolutely no use other that for him stirring.

Personal logo 28mm Fanatik Supporting Member of TMP08 Jun 2017 7:53 a.m. PST

Mithmee's vendetta and grudge against GW appear to be motivated by three main factors:

1) His belief that he had been priced out of the GW market long ago. Hence the majority of his Citadel minis are at least 20 years old;

2) His indignation that, due to changes in subsequent editions, armies comprising mostly of massed cheap infantry (i.e. his preference for 100+ Imperial Guardsmen and Eldar Guardian armies) are not as unbeatable as they used to be;

3) His outrage that Eldar shuriken catapults' range was halved from 24" to 12".

So we must forgive Mithmee for his anti-GW rants because he has cause, if not entirely valid reasons, for them.

Capt Flash Supporting Member of TMP08 Jun 2017 8:44 a.m. PST

We can only forgive so much as he jumps into every thread related to GW and starts his steady, repetitive rants against GW. I'd prefer he just stay away from them and leave those who have something valid to get out of the discussions, do so, without all the negative tripe that he spills. Pictors, Mongoose Matt, and Mars have all rekindled my interest and enjoyment of the Olde World and it would be nice to open a thread and not see Negative Nancy attacking them.
I'd love to see Mithmee put up threads about he awesomeness of his vast collection and what he does with them.

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