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Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP29 May 2017 5:39 p.m. PST

If so did you buy the previous edition?

I plan to buy at least one copy. Right now my plan is to trade the Nurgle forces for more Primaris Space marines, basically trade all the Nurgle figures for all the SM figures if I can find someone to do that.

If not I'll probably buy two boxes by and by. I'm on call the day before it is released, and I might not be done until 0700 that day, but if I'm out I'll go home, sleep and then walk out and get it.

I did buy the previous edition a while ago. I traded the Dark Angels in it and painted up the Chaos stuff, although I've not finished the dreadnought yet. I only actually used them in one game but liked the figures and we didn't even use the 7th edition rules for that game.

Personal logo Coyotepunc and Hatshepsuut Supporting Member of TMP29 May 2017 5:45 p.m. PST

No, I won't be buying the boxed set. *If* my new gaming group will be playing it, I will try the new rules with my existing models. And if it seems like this is something we are going to do regularly, I will invest in the rulebook and Eldar data book.

Unless I suddenly get a hankering for, you know, Nurgle or Space Marines…

I haven't bought a boxed set since 3rd edition…

Personal logo nvdoyle Supporting Member of TMP29 May 2017 5:57 p.m. PST

Yes, and yes. Last time for the figs, this time for both figs and rules.

Don Manser29 May 2017 6:13 p.m. PST

Sounds good, Scott. I'm in. Sent you a text.

DM

Atomic Floozy29 May 2017 6:37 p.m. PST

No and no.

SouthernPhantom29 May 2017 7:04 p.m. PST

No. I don't play Space Marines.

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP29 May 2017 7:07 p.m. PST

Great, Don. I'm at a hospital tonight and don't have my personal phone with me and will probably be here until 0700 so I'll get back to you tomorrow.

Personal logo mrwigglesworth Supporting Member of TMP29 May 2017 7:43 p.m. PST

40K? I just got Storm of Sigmar yesterday. Assembled, based and primed the 13 minis tonight. 40K has to wait…..

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Personal logo PatrickWR Supporting Member of TMP29 May 2017 7:56 p.m. PST

I'm on the fence about actually buying the box set. My group plays Grimdark Future due to our general dissatisfaction with 40k rules coupled with enthusiasm for the models and setting. So far that's been working just fine, but we've discussed giving 8th edition an honest try.

The last time I bought a box set was 3rd Edition. I play chaos but I'm just not sure I need the new Nurgle Marines. Haha who am I kidding?!

Personal logo The Beast Rampant Supporting Member of TMP29 May 2017 9:14 p.m. PST

I have one on preorder at my FLGS. Apparently, there were quite a few others as well, and this was early on.

It is very unlikely I would buy a second box.

If so did you buy the previous edition?

No, last for me was 2nd. I still have a bunch of those ork sprues about.

FincasKhalmoril29 May 2017 9:51 p.m. PST

Have been thinking about it, but at the moment I enjoy WHF/AoS too much and so will rather invest in a box of WH Quest.
If they would make the warscrolls for free I'd definitely try it and even like that I'm tempted to buy at least the Ork book.

basileus6630 May 2017 2:15 a.m. PST

Yes. I'll trade the Primaris with a friend that it is also buying one set. He will got all the Primaris and I will got all Nurgle.

ZULUPAUL Supporting Member of TMP30 May 2017 2:36 a.m. PST

No I don't buy GW stuff much anymore.

Centurio Prime30 May 2017 4:36 a.m. PST

Yes and Yes.

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP30 May 2017 4:51 a.m. PST

It is pretty fun isn't it, Danny?

Xintao Supporting Member of TMP30 May 2017 5:19 a.m. PST

I'm considering it. I really don't want the scale creep Marines. Haven't played since 2nd ed.

28mm Fanatik Inactive Member30 May 2017 7:16 a.m. PST

Absotively posilutely. This will be my first purchase of a starter set since 3rd Edition. Not only does it include two new armies that I'm interested in, the rulebook that comes with it is also the full hardback, not a mini softcover as in previous starter sets. I've only bought the rulebooks and codices in the previous four editions.

Personal logo The Beast Rampant Supporting Member of TMP30 May 2017 8:55 a.m. PST

the rulebook that comes with it is also the full hardback, not a mini softcover as in previous starter sets.

I meant to mention this before, but that's a big selling point. The "buy this starter today, and buy the "real" rulebook tomorrow" strategy was a big turn-off.

I will try the new rules with my existing models.

Regardless of how "into" 8th and beyond I get, the majority of the minis I field will be my old ones. You don't forsake the Old Guard for the shiny new recruits. grin

Moonbeast Supporting Member of TMP30 May 2017 10:00 a.m. PST

Yep and no,I just bought the chaos stuff and rule book for 7th. Bought 2 boxed sets of Black Reach though, still have yet to assemble them.

CATenWolde30 May 2017 10:07 a.m. PST

Nope. My son is interested in the new marines, but we aren't sure how the new Big Boys will fit with his existing Crimson Fists, and neither of us are remotely interested in Chaos. So … nope.

Neal Smith30 May 2017 10:30 a.m. PST

Yes, and I got the one that had the chaos marines in it. Was that the last one?

Haven't really played a lot of 7th edition, but 8th is bringing me back.

Personal logo The Beast Rampant Supporting Member of TMP30 May 2017 10:39 a.m. PST

but we aren't sure how the new Big Boys will fit with his existing Crimson Fists…

Something like this:

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CATenWolde30 May 2017 11:59 a.m. PST

Oh, I'm sure a proper application of Handwavium (tm) will solve the backstory. I meant more how they would look on the table, in terms of possibly being aesthetically jarring. Sort of like having both 15mm and 25mm figures on the table at the same time.

shirleylyn Supporting Member of TMP30 May 2017 12:03 p.m. PST

My husband was all up for it(he played since RT) but then this "big marines" money grab started, and he decided to use the money save for 15mm GRUNTZ stuff.

Big marines is so well, retarded.

Personal logo Dentatus Supporting Member of TMP Fezian30 May 2017 12:32 p.m. PST

I want the minis but as I'm in the process of finishing off an expanded Battle For Vedros set for Grandsons 1 and 2, not for a long while. I will get super-sized Marines eventually, but want to wait and see how this scale up shakes out.

28mm Fanatik Inactive Member30 May 2017 12:41 p.m. PST

CATenWolde wrote:

I meant more how they would look on the table, in terms of possibly being aesthetically jarring. Sort of like having both 15mm and 25mm figures on the table at the same time.

Rumors of size incompatibility have surely been greatly exaggerated:

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The pauldrons and heads/helmets are fully interchangeable btw, so if you don't care much for the MkIV helms with their depressed snouts you are free to use any other variant.

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP30 May 2017 12:49 p.m. PST

My husband was all up for it(he played since RT) but then this "big marines" money grab started, and he decided to use the money save for 15mm GRUNTZ stuff.

Smart move

You be the judge.

Yup Scale creep to the max and for that you get to pay more and more.

GW plan is to get rid of the old Space Marines, thus forcing everyone to buy these new models if they want to keep up with the game.

Oh and if you haven't grasped which way I am going to go, well…


There is no way in Hell that I would ever buy this boxset.

Personal logo Coyotepunc and Hatshepsuut Supporting Member of TMP30 May 2017 1:16 p.m. PST

Marines were originally supposed to be that big… but somehow the other minis were sculpted as if they were human-sized. The original RTB01 plastic Marines were that big compared to the 25mm sci-fi minis at the time. I think it is high time that the models match the fluff.

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP30 May 2017 2:36 p.m. PST

"GW plan is to get rid of the old Space Marines, thus forcing everyone to buy these new models if they want to keep up with the game."

Is this prediction coming from the same source that told us they were getting rid of all the Chapters but the Ultramarines and that you wouldn't be able to do Primaris marines as Ultramarines?

"Big marines is so well, retarded."

I think you might be projecting.

"My husband was all up for it(he played since RT) but then this "big marines" money grab started,"

See this is just ignorance. GW is responding to customer demand on this. As Coyotepunc and Hatsehpsuut points out, people want this stuff.

There have been so many threads on people doing "true scale" marines and converting them so that they are taller so they look to be the right size.

It is quite a bit of work and almost prohibitive for doing a large army of infantry.

GW saw that demand and responded to it.

Then we get ignorant comments about it just being a "money grab."

GW has been knocking it out of the park lately:

You want Genestealer Cults back: You got it.

You want plastic Horus Heresy models: You got it.

Blood Bowl: Signed, sealed and delivered.

What, Necromunda, you liked that: Here you go.

Simplified WHFB with lower model count so it is less of a barrier: Check.

You want points for AoS: done and at a damn cheap price!

7th edition 40K is too complicated: Here you are.

True scale marines: We got that covered too.

People are flocking back to GW like I have never seen before in my life. In the 20 odd years I've been buying GW products I've never seen people in the gaming world this excited about the company.

Sure things aren't going to be to everyone's taste. Some people will not like that AoS doesn't use rank and file formations. Some don't like the style of the new models.

But to say that this is just some short term money grab vs. a company making money in response to the demands of its consumers is just blatantly and demonstrably untrue.

It is as bogus as Mithmee's attempts to say that the retail price of 5 Dire Avengers in the mid to late 90s was $6. USD

nazrat30 May 2017 2:49 p.m. PST

Preach on, Brutha Scott!

I haven't bought a boxed set of 40K stuff since Black Reach. This one has me dead to rights, since I have always wanted both a Nurgle force and a reason to do a bunch of my unpainted stuff as Ultramarines. Check and CHECK! If the rules are good then all the better-- we've been playing an alternate activation Version 2 of the game recently and have been having a whale of a time. So either way I'm pretty stoked.

Ron W DuBray30 May 2017 4:00 p.m. PST

GW priced me out of buying anything from them back in 1996.

Skinflint Games30 May 2017 4:21 p.m. PST

Will download the rules and play, but no- I'm sure they're lovely, but at the end of the day I can't justify £95.00 GBP on what are essentially toy soldiers.

Props to GW for letting us download the rules for free though :-D

TheDesertBox Inactive Member30 May 2017 4:47 p.m. PST

"People are flocking back to GW like I have never seen before in my life."

In the absence of publicly available market research, we go to anecdotal evidence. In my gaming circles (including many people I talk to, but do not game with), I find that the people that love these changes spend around $100 USD a year on hobby stuff and the people that treat gaming as their "primary hobby" and spend a great deal more are less enthused.

Personally, I hate all of the changes except the rerelease of specialist games. I still don't trust them to support them more than a year or so… but that is only based on historical "flip-floppedness" of the company.

My observations. Only time and financials will tell.

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP30 May 2017 5:35 p.m. PST

"In the absence of publicly available market research, we go to anecdotal evidence. "

Not entirely. There are some useful numbers out there. For example. r/ageofsigmar went from having about 1,400 readers in March of 2016 to 3,000 readers in Sept. 2016 to more than 6,500 readers now.

That is doubling almost every 6 months.

On this very website, GW products were barely discussed 3 years ago. Last year there were 35 topics being discussed in May on the 40K section. This month there are already 114 topics being discussed.

Some of that is from a few very enthusiastic people but the post count on many of them is staggering.

That isn't exactly "market research" but it is not just "me and my gaming buddies are doing this thing" either.

TheDesertBox Inactive Member30 May 2017 6:05 p.m. PST

Fair enough. But I personally do not buy into "any press is good press." I find a lot of the discussion going on is a few, very vocal individuals preaching the GW gospel and a lot of "We'll see." and some negative sentiment.

But hey, if GW works for you, go for it. I certainly own a lot of their product, although my enthusiasm has waned over the last few years.

Syrinx030 May 2017 6:43 p.m. PST

I don't buy box sets mostly as I play IG. Not sure I will buy into this edition as I didn't buy into AOS. Might buy some of the new terrain though.

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP30 May 2017 7:31 p.m. PST

"Fair enough. But I personally do not buy into "any press is good press." I find a lot of the discussion going on is a few, very vocal individuals preaching the GW gospel and a lot of "We'll see." and some negative sentiment."

I don't know that thousands of people are joining a discussion forum specifically on a given product to say we'll see.

Here, even, I think there is a lot of "I haven't done GW in years but here we are." Same with Lead Adventure. Just a lot of GW stuff there or even any when you really only saw old hammer stuff before.

Neal Smith30 May 2017 8:08 p.m. PST

After reading a few more comments, I do have to say I hate the idea of the "new marines". They should have just switched everything over to these new models and left them all as "just marines". This is the same thing they did with Centurions/Terminators…

The set's figures are actually a little bit secondary for me. I will probably paint up the Nurgle first though. The others… we'll see…

Zephyr130 May 2017 8:58 p.m. PST

"Are you buying the 8th Edition 40K boxed set?"

No, not until I complete my Rogue Trader minis collection… ;-)

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP30 May 2017 9:19 p.m. PST

GW is responding to customer demand on this.

Really!!!

Customers were demanding this.

No they were not, I have seen nothing here or at any of the other GW focus sites that I have been going to for nearly 15+ years.

They are doing this only to grab more money because that is the only thing that they do.

They have been gouging their customers for nearly two decades now and this is just another way to do just that.

GW has been knocking it out of the park lately:

You want Genestealer Cults back: You got it.

Blood Bowl: Signed, sealed and delivered.

What, Necromunda, you liked that: Here you go.

No what they are trying to do is go back to when they were actually good.

Remember they killed off each and nearly every single one of the things listed above, along with many other things as well.

There redo of EPIC will be in larger scale, simply because this will force players to buy these new miniatures and make all of their old miniatures obsolete.

7th edition 40K is too complicated: Here you are.

Just how was it too complicated? or is it because they were losing players to other systems?

8th Edition will be just as complicated since each and every unit will be getting it very own datasheet/rules.

People are flocking back to GW like I have never seen before in my life. In the 20 odd years I've been buying GW products I've never seen people in the gaming world this excited about the company.

Funny, I am not seeing that in my area of the country both of the FLGS's is still carrying copies of their box sets and I expect they will get quite a few copies of this box set and they will sit of the shelve as well.

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP30 May 2017 9:30 p.m. PST

This month there are already 114 topics being discussed.

True but now many of these actually have more than 10 posts to them.

Once the fan fare is done the number of posts will drop or you will post tons of Battle Reports that get no action just like the dozens of the Fantasy Space Marines Age of Sigmar reports that you have posted over on the Warhammer page.

Games Workshop is hated for what they have done in the past and for their treating their customers like dirt.

Personal logo Pictors Studio Sponsoring Member of TMP30 May 2017 9:52 p.m. PST

"No they were not, I have seen nothing here or at any of the other GW focus sites that I have been going to for nearly 15+ years."

Then you haven't been paying attention. At all.

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"No what they are trying to do is go back to when they were actually good."

This has to be the most oblivious comment I've ever read.

Lets take a look at this shall we. Self-hating GW fan boy has crapped on everything a company has done in the last 15 years or so because they gave his toys shuriken catapults instead of laser rifles and he can't figure out how to use them.

Now he actually makes a statement like this:

Tone: critical. The statement is like an accusation. First of all it starts with "no."

What is the "no" in reference to? GW knocking it out of the park?

It could be a reference to the three things below it. Those are all factual, and easily provable but SHGWFB hasn't really allowed much in the way of facts to stop his ranting before.

So it is a little unclear. Maybe the "no" is in reference to GW knocking it out of the park, maybe he is denying that GW has produced Genestealer cults, Blood Bowl and very-like Necromunda game.

Now the other half: "what they are trying to do is go back to when they were actually good."

Said as criticism. A company is trying to get back to being good. They were good at one point and now they are trying to get back to that point.

And this is a bad thing? When taken in the context of all of the other posts by SHGWFB it can only be taken as such.

But how does that make any sense? Surely you couldn't dislike a company for trying to improve itself, even if only to get back to the level it was performing at before.

So we are kind of left to wonder about the reasoning here. The statement itself seems to be a complete abnegation of the entire point of the rest of the rant.

"Just how was it too complicated? or is it because they were losing players to other systems?"

It was too complicated because it had a million special rules and stats for things. The data sheets will make it easier because all of the rules for x-unit will be in one place and you don't have to go hunting them down, flipping through books. The rules will be on 14 pages instead of 110 pages. The psychic phase will be just a part of the game, like shooting, rather than like its own separate game.

But you would know this if you could read because all the threads you have been shitting on for the past month have told us all of this.

"Funny, I am not seeing that in my area of the country both of the FLGS's is still carrying copies of their box sets and I expect they will get quite a few copies of this box set and they will sit of the shelve as well."

Once again we see you maligning your local stores with tales of their incompetence at selling products that seem to be selling like hot cakes in most other places.

And a fact that is contradicted by your own statement that they have no copies of Shadow War: Argmageddon boxed sets left.

We are brought back, in a way to this statement:

"No what they are trying to do is go back to when they were actually good."

It seems now that the statement itself is a good microcosm of the whole of the SHGWFB's reasoning: Self contradictory, possibly actually deliberately deceptive and really lacking self-awareness.

Lion in the Stars31 May 2017 1:35 a.m. PST

I really don't want to drop that much money, but it seems a given that my group is getting back into 40k in some way. We're already into Shadow War Armageddon.

I decided to screw with people and dig out the old RT/Badab War camo schemes for whatever marines I end up making. I'm currently torn between Executioners and Marines Errant.

PMC31731 May 2017 2:56 a.m. PST

I'm in two minds. Probably not because I don't need any of the set, but the temptation to do what Lion in the Stars is planning on and painting the nuMarines in camouflage is strong.

Last starter set I bought myself was the 4th Edition one with Tyranids and scenery (because of the scenery).

tnjrp31 May 2017 5:07 a.m. PST

No and no.

Bob Runnicles31 May 2017 6:33 a.m. PST

A friend and I are getting three sets between us, splitting one and selling another friend the rulebook and keeping one complete set each. The excitement level regarding this release is palpable at my FLGS, 7th Ed was dead and had been for months (if not years) but this has revitalized things massively. I fully expect we will be seeing a LOT of 40K 8th going on in the months ahead :)

Mithmee Supporting Member of TMP31 May 2017 6:40 a.m. PST

Once again we see you maligning your local stores with tales of their incompetence at selling products that seem to be selling like hot cakes in most other places.

No the reason why they do not sell is that there are very few individuals who are playing any more.

Games Workshop has done a very good job of pissing off their customers over the last 20 years and it been showing in their yearly Financial Reports.

So they are trying to go back to the mid 1990's but they just cannot stop being Games Workshop and not do this without screwing over their customers.

EPIC 40K is coming back but at a larger scale – thus screwing over the old EPIC players.

act that is contradicted by your own statement that they have no copies of Shadow War: Argmageddon boxed sets left.

That is due to GW not making enough copies and I stated that they are trying to go back to when they were good and even with all they are doing.

There are still many individuals who will never go back to them ever.

Because GW track record is screw the customer and then screw them again.

Personal logo Rogzombie Supporting Member of TMP Fezian31 May 2017 12:09 p.m. PST

Nicely said Pictors. I love what Games Workshop has done the last few years. The new stores are incredible.

I will probably get the boxed set, I have been waiting for them to make marines the correct size for years. I hate putting out a mixed army and the IG are way bigger than the SM. They are too big to let such a glaring problem go. Its not about ripping you off, its about improving the quality of the product.

The cost is always an issue. There are games equally or more expensive. If you need, there are games much cheaper.
But costs of everything has gone up. A pizza is now $20. USD
The crummy tabloids in the market are $5. USD Cars are through the roof.

Compared to the beginnings of wargaming, GW is expensive.
But they are giving options for a less expensive experience. There are also sources that offer 20% discounts. GW has also set up a program so online stores can properly sell their stuff again. There is also ebay.

The new 40k I am excited about as I always struggled with the rules. A lot more options, too. I just wish I had someone to assemble my minis, I hate that part, lol.

Personal logo Coyotepunc and Hatshepsuut Supporting Member of TMP31 May 2017 6:21 p.m. PST

I have had a total about-face in my feelings about the boxed set, as I discuss in TMP link

Personal logo Lost Wolf Supporting Member of TMP31 May 2017 9:59 p.m. PST

Nope.

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