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tsofian Sponsoring Member of TMP21 May 2017 2:58 p.m. PST

Arun and I get a lot of comments that our vision of Victorian Science Fiction is too "modern looking" Well so much for that!

Aero Calthorpe-Train 1865 The idea of exploiting the potential advantages of streamlining a train goes all the back to 1865, with Samuel Calthrop's patent for an "air-resisting" train. But it would be a number of decades before aerodynamics were actually applied to trains.:

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So it looks like streamlining would have been available if it was needed as early as the 1870s

Crazyivanov23 May 2017 12:57 p.m. PST

Well, that covers some interesting bases. As my conception of VSF covers the early Edwardian era as well (I want my Maxims and adventures with the Mad Mahdi confound it) I don't throw stones at others VSF.

tsofian Sponsoring Member of TMP23 May 2017 4:53 p.m. PST

Glad to be of service

mrinku23 May 2017 5:07 p.m. PST

Good to know of this. And I have no real issue with applying ideas a few decades early in VSF anyway – for a start you'd have no Zeppelin style airships before at least the 20thC if you didn't!

While the basic rigid airship concept was thought of in the 1870's it took von Zeppelin et al until the 1890's to get their experiments to the patent stage and LZ-1 was only launched in 1900.

tsofian Sponsoring Member of TMP25 May 2017 2:01 p.m. PST

Mrinku, all true!

TheBeast Supporting Member of TMP27 May 2017 7:09 a.m. PST

Nope, still too modern looking.

Has little to do with reality, everything to do with perceptions.

You may now join old Samuel shaking fist at an uncaring sky…

Doug

mrinku28 May 2017 3:11 p.m. PST

Keep in mind that streamlining was WELL established for ship hulls and in pre-dirigible airships (at least for the gas bags).

However, the usefulness for this on a train is going to depend on speed. As well, the more frequently a train makes stops, the less gain they'll get out of it.

Most likely the reason it never took off was that Victorian steam trains needed frequent water stops and mostly just weren't fast enough for the added expense and inconvenience.

BUT that's not going to matter for a Radium powered express locomotive hurtling through Martian tunnels, what?

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