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22 May 2017 5:57 p.m. PST
by Editor in Chief Bill

  • Changed title from "Have you been inticed back by GW lately?" to "Have you been enticed back by GW lately?"

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Dogged21 May 2017 9:40 a.m. PST


AoS got me again into fantasy.

BB was my very first minis game so I just had to get on this new BB edition.

40K reboot has got me interested too.

RudyNelson21 May 2017 9:58 a.m. PST

No, I have not stocked GW products since they started their buying policies back in 1985. Guess what, I am still around while a lot of dominant GW stores in the USA have collapsed in less than 5 years.

Dave Crowell21 May 2017 12:20 p.m. PST

No. My Eldar army vanished into the Warp over a decade ago. My Skaven and Wood Elves languish till the day my interest in army level 28mm Fantasy wargaming returns.

And at the prices…

Achtung Minen21 May 2017 3:08 p.m. PST

I could not possibly have less interest in the new stuff, but I recently made my first GW purchase in a long time… the "made to order" limited rerelease of the 1994 Blood Bowl teams! I picked up the original Chaos Dwarf and Dark Elf teams and I am a huge fan of these rerelease offers—they absolutely should keep doing them! I would LOVE to see the entire 1995 catalogue come back as "made to order"—GW would have my money in an instant.

Der Krieg Geist21 May 2017 5:28 p.m. PST

I have to say I think GWs new models and miniatures are utterly fantastic and getting more original buy each new release. I however do not find my self willing to buy them as their prices have moved beyond my reach in the last ten years and my income has not kept up. I suspect even if it had,I would still be unwilling to pay those prices for plastics. On top of all that,I own thousands of fantasy and science fiction figures in 28mm, and truly can't justify buying anymore.
So to answer the OPs question, No. Just different reasons from most I guess.

Mithmee21 May 2017 5:36 p.m. PST

You know I almost brought the Shadow War rulebook today, but didn't.

Did buy Runewar Miniatures though that is a fantasy game unlike Age of Sigmar, which isn't.

DOUGKL21 May 2017 5:37 p.m. PST

Just bought their LOTR stuff. Never had an interest in anything else. It is a combination of style and cost.

Codsticker21 May 2017 8:14 p.m. PST

I may wander back into 40k; I like the sound of the direction they are going with the rules.

Poniatowski Supporting Member of TMP22 May 2017 11:22 a.m. PST

As an addict since the early 90's…. I sold off all of my 40k and fantasy over the last 20 or so years….

I think I just sold off my last tomb king stuff within the last year or two….

I still am and have always been a huge Mordheim and LOTR player….

So, to answer the question at hand…. I have been caught up in the hype…. I am seriously considering purchasing new Imperial Guard stuff….

Thomas Thomas22 May 2017 12:29 p.m. PST

My son has expressed interest in new 40K – saying it must be better than what we have now. But we have thought that before. They really need to hire some game designers – we'll see.

Fantasy my previous main interest – DEAD. Rebasing everything for A Game of Fire and Ice. Will keep a few individually based figures for Frostgrave.

Working on a version of Fire and Ice to cover the Old World. Bumped into someone who I had introduced to Fantasy some years back. They were not happy that their collection was now useless and seemed a bit miffed with me for getting them started. Motivated me to do a Fire and Ice for old Warhammer players.

Thomas J. Thomas
Fame and Glory games

Bob Runnicles22 May 2017 1:45 p.m. PST

I never really left, even though for a long period there in the last 10-15 years (aka the Kirby era) it's felt a lot like an abusive relationship that I just had too much invested in to seriously try and get out. Haven't actually played anything in the last year or so but that has more to do with a general 'meh' about gaming overall than just GW. My local club though are starting up a Shadow War Armageddon campaign in a couple of weeks and the apocalypse sized armies I already have for 40K are itching to see what the new edition brings. Fantasy I'm getting very close to rebasing my Beastmen army for AoS; no I don't *have* to but I kinda sorta want to, at least some of them, as the army was a challenge to play in 8th (to be honest it sucks, even though I had some good successes with it) and if I were to go back to 8th it would be with my Dark Elves.

Garand22 May 2017 2:59 p.m. PST

Never left. I have been actively buying minis & building armies for the last couple decades. Have several fantasy & 40K armies, as well as bits from other armies as well. FWIW I do not ever pay full retail for GW stuff, but always look for discounts, & have been ever since internet ecommerce was a thing. That makes things a bit more affordable (look for people selling the getting started or boxed sets broken down on Ebay, lots of good deals there…). Yes, they are expensive, but I can walk into my local store anytime and get a game. I can't say the same for the majority of other games out there (uness it is warmahordes, which have an ugly aesthetic IMHO). I haven't played a historical game against another human being in a lo-ong time. I can play 40K anytime. THAT is a huge difference!

Still won't play AoS. I tend to dislike fantasy skirmish games. I play D&D already, so…


Colbourne6623 May 2017 10:44 a.m. PST

I stopped playing 40K in the early 2000's and never really got into WFB. I played Necromunda a lot.

not interested in the AOS stuff, but the 40K is looking interesting. I'll probably get the new edition when it comes out – if it's no good I'll go back to Rogue Trader. The Horus Heresy figures got me back in, and i picked up the new Blood Bowl set as well, and will probably pick up the goblin team when it gets released. I'm not interested in SW:A but will pick up Necromunda when that that is re-released. I'm also keen on doing some "Blanshitsu" Inquisition skirmish either with the new 40k edition or Rogue Trader.

I'm still mostly focused on historical though. But GW's new direction is promising…I'm glad I picked pushers in the company a while back.

Thomas Thomas23 May 2017 12:32 p.m. PST

Damon raises an important point about GW and historicals. You can walk into any game store and find a GW game (usually 40K).

Of course in Atlanta I can walk into a store and get a game of Combat Command – but that's a local exception based on a local designer.

Flames (to extent you accept its an historical game) sort of fills this void but we just have too few playable (without an umpire) historical games with enough market saturation. Hence the power of GW to say buy and play our stuff or don't play.

Thomas J. Thomas
Fame and Glory Games

Lost Wolf23 May 2017 2:56 p.m. PST

Yes, been tempted into their skirmish games but have held off so far. Got into Blood Bowl though and it's been fun. Wish Necromunda and Mordheim would come back instead of what's been released.

SouthernPhantom24 May 2017 5:54 p.m. PST

I'm actually considering it with the new edition about to release. I've got a bunch of models in storage in Florida that I may retrieve this weekend, followed by an order of Pig Iron infantry to make up a small IG drop-troop force. I tend to prefer games in the 1000pts or less range. A bunch of my bad paint jobs from middle and high school will need to be redone.

HidaSeku26 May 2017 1:51 p.m. PST

Not been tempted back into their current rulesets. Still playing 3rd edition 40k and trying to get 6th edition Fantasy going.

I still keep on eye on miniatures as they produce them. Occasionally I find a miniature to be cool, although that is very, very rare these days. Their aesthetic no longer fits my taste most times.

The Beast Rampant26 May 2017 4:00 p.m. PST

I tend to prefer games in the 1000pts or less range.

The last dozen or so games I played, before my opponent moved off in the early 2000's, were all in the neighborhood of 1000 points. Good times.

I hope 8th scales well to smaller games- not necessarily that small, but down to 2k.

malleman26 May 2017 9:23 p.m. PST

Betrayal at Calth got me back in. Been collecting since 89, but it just depends on what is going on in life. Not interested in the Sigmar stuff, but loved the fluff of WHFB. I guess they needed a change and LOTR already focuses on that kind of fantasy anyway. I recently started reading the Horus Heresy novels and got hooked. I would not say I am not so much as 40K anymore, but 30K. I remember the epic box had the Ultramarines and Thousand sons going at it and it always got my imagination. Just was a lot harder to collect back before pre internet. I really want BFG and epic to come back so that I can paint up new fleets and armies for the two legions I am working on.

Mardaddy26 May 2017 10:01 p.m. PST

I "could" be enticed back if the games were limited to skirmish/kill teams.

Ain't no friggin way I will ever invest more than what I consider reasonable anymore. I was suckered in and time after time themed armies I built were made irrelevant or unplayable (RAW) after I invested so much time and money.

Not gonna do it again for an army. In small scale I might.

billthecat27 May 2017 12:33 p.m. PST

Well…. not GW as such… but their products and policies HAVE improved a little bit. At the end of the day it's not who makes what, but whether or not a particular product suits one's tastes and budget…
I have been happily building and even playing a few games of 'Shadow War Armageddon' recently, so thank you GW: Great product! I think Mardaddy (just above)sums it up well…
Importantly, there are many more gaming options/manufacturers out there nowadays than when GW had more of a quasi-monopoly on the fantasy/sf gaming market, so I doubt they will ever have the 'loyalty' of old… Not a bad thing if it drives them to (somewhat) more reasonable business practices and better (IMHO) products.
Did I mention how fun 'Shadow War Armageddon' is!?

Andy ONeill27 May 2017 1:15 p.m. PST


David Johansen27 May 2017 8:54 p.m. PST

It was harder to be strong the last couple years. Knights, Adeptus Mechanicus, Heresy era marines. But no, I'm a retailer and they won't sell to me because another store has the exclusive contract here. So, screw 'em.

Vampifan0128 May 2017 1:01 a.m. PST

Most definitely not!

chromedog29 May 2017 3:04 a.m. PST

Some of their designs have almost tempted me back – but then I saw the prices and my sanity prevailed.

I like Jes' design work on a lot of their stuff, but I'm not willing to spend the GNP of a small country to buy any of it new.

GypsyComet29 May 2017 11:11 a.m. PST

Grabbed a Sigmarine at a game flea market recently, but since he's going to see Frostgrave use that doesn't really count.

Mithmee30 May 2017 12:39 p.m. PST


Zephyr130 May 2017 2:33 p.m. PST

Except for the latest Space Hulk releases, no.

Personal logo jsmcc91 Supporting Member of TMP31 May 2017 9:10 a.m. PST

No. I am actually selling my 30 years of GW off. All of the people in the area that got together and played fantasy or 40k no longer play since the change to Sigmar and to 7th edition. Unfortunate, but it happens. I have seen it before when they changed rule sets and people went away and different people were brought in.

Mithmee31 May 2017 12:07 p.m. PST

Interesting since by Pictor's reckoning everyone is getting back both and everyone is playing Age of Sigmar and are biting at the teeth to play 8th Edition 40K.

Ferreo Cuore19 Mar 2018 10:52 a.m. PST

no – after being victim of them many times, and then BF taking up the same busyness model, I am thru with both companies.

Also, thru with any game in which I and friends do not control the system, and – also important – the expectation of the community is that we control the system, not the company.

funny, I am inventorying my 40K items today. Later this year, will do the same with Fantasy. I expect to get rid of much of it.

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP19 Mar 2018 2:08 p.m. PST

I see this is an old post but I just stumbled across it so I'll throw in my 2 cents.

I guess the real answer is, I never left GW. I am however new to "Whfb" so I'll explain in brief.

I've played 30k/40k since 1987 with some large gaps at certain times but mostly faithfully. You could say I had a love-hate relationship with GW during these 30 years.

While I had always been familiar with WHFB and what was happening in its universe, I never became an actual player.

It was some time after AOS came to life that I began seeing a number of hate/rant posts in my YouTube feed. I truly felt sorry for longtime players of Warhammer but it actually had an unexpected influence on me.

Mixed in with the usual rants I started seeing a wealth of Warhammer battle reports under the titles "Old Hammer" or more often, "6th Edition".

Here amidst the greatest gaming calamity in the last decade ;-) were people ignoring what they were supposed to be playing and instead just playing what they wanted to and having fun.

Their spirit was infectious and after watching these videos throughout 2017 I eventually started looking up what old school minis were still available.

Currently I own both the 6th and 7th edition rules and I've bought a few minis for Vampire Counts, Empire, Beastmen, and my current project, High Elves.

Other than being mildly inconvenienced at how hard/expensive it is to obtain some of the Oldhammer minis, I haven't been directly affected by the Sigmar calamity.

I hope GW makes some more minis I can use for 6th edition but if they do not then there are more than enough in the mini markets for the rest of my gaming days.


Centurio Prime20 Mar 2018 5:17 a.m. PST

Both the GW games have gained in popularity in my local store. The store had to arrange for more tables and terrain because of the increasing number of players at the 40k tournaments.

Attendance of AoS and 8th ed 40k events at the NOVA Open (the main convention I attend) has continued to rise.

All anecdotal evidence and GW sales numbers indicate that AoS is more popular than 8th ed WHFB (and probably previous editions as well, I think).

That said, I don't know why people go on these hate fests. If I don't like a game, I don't play it. I don't waste my time posting negatively about the game at every opportunity. I think its perfectly fine to just play the edition of the rules you like. I played Warmachine for a while and I don't like it, and the new version made all my old books and cards invalid. I'm not mad though, I just play other things.

Legion 420 Mar 2018 3:39 p.m. PST

Nope … GW is not on my Menu. And has not been for a decade + or more.

Pictors Studio20 Mar 2018 4:03 p.m. PST

You should give them a try again. I didn't buy much GW stuff for about a decade but lately they have been putting out all kinds of great stuff at very reasonable prices.

RudyNelson20 Mar 2018 7:01 p.m. PST

No, I have no stocked GW since 1985.

Baranovich21 Mar 2018 9:02 a.m. PST

Never had to be enticed back to GW. Still collect and own all the old Warhammer armies and have now gotten into Age of Sigmar as well. Have always loved the extraordinary detail of their miniatures and terrain.

The end of Warhammer as an official game, The End Times and the discontinuation of the Old World had zero impact on me and our gaming group. We never stopped loving the lore and the immersion of the Old World and we never had any reason to stop loving it. We also never had any good reason to stop playing the older editions of Warhammer.

I do find it amusing how some people are already talking about 2015 and the original warscrolls that GW released for free as being "outdated" and "legacy" and "not supported". It's all nonsense!

TO THIS DAY, you can play AOS without having to buy ANYTHING. The four-page rules are FREE. The warscrolls for every single old Warhammer army and units are FREE. ALL your existing armies are usable. EVERY old Warhammer unit is covered by the warscrolls. You don't technically need any of the general's handbooks if you don't want them. You don't technically need any of the new terrain or new miniature ranges.

Tell me how many games you can play where literally it is offered as a courtesy for FREE? GW gave you everything you need to continue playing with your armies in a new world and a new setting. For FREE. I have to laugh at some of the critics who talk about GW's prices and what they supposedly "force" you to buy. Nobody forces you to buy anything, least of all GW.

I own most of the army books for all the editions of Warhammer going back to 4th Edition, as well as all the rulebooks going back to 3rd Edition.

Always loved GW's world and the miniatures and games that support it.

Karsten08 Apr 2018 3:22 p.m. PST

One problem with GW is that even if one wanted to buy from them, most commanders, captains, kings or other special characters, and even some troop types (cavalry, artillery) are either permanently out of print or repeatedly temporarily out of stock.

While WhFB is now «The Warhammer Armies Project» or «The ninth Age» for many, the «Lord of the Rings» product line is insanely overpriced and still, most troop recruiting needs to be done via eBay because GW just does not produce them any more. For someone who prefers metal to FailCast/resin, there is no other choice but eBay, where scalpers skim the cream with even more exaggerated prices for rare oop blisters and boxes.

The next edition of the «Middle-Earth Strategy Battle Game» is scheduled for the summer of 2018. If the dark empire of Nottingham makes everything exclusive and limited during a short period of time only, and/or with too little stock so that the interesting items sell out within a month, the new edition will only make matters worse, because there will be more products that need to be hunted down in the aftermarket.

Those are not enticing perspectives at all, and neither are the excessive pricing.

Tgunner14 Apr 2018 2:15 p.m. PST

Oddly enough I have been enticed back. I played both Fantasy and 40K back in the '90s and at the turn of the century (geez, that makes me feel old), but I drifted away because of the cost and requirements to play even a basic game.

My son, Jeremy, has pulled me back in. I grabbed a copy of the starter, First Strike, and I've been hooked! The rules are greatly streamlined, but still keep the basic flavor of 40K. I grabbed the full rulebook and I like where they are going with the different levels of play and how to build armies. I can now run an Imperial Guard army and not mortgage the house! It's a very refreshing change and its earned GW money from me and they haven't seen any real love from me in 10+ years.

I now have three little armies that me and my boys run and are slowly growing and building. We've played some games lately and have had a lot of fun. So hats off to GW.

Fitzovich02 May 2018 7:03 a.m. PST

I've checked the weather forecast and there's no indication that a certain place will freeze over, so the answer would be in the negative.

shaneypops18 May 2018 2:13 p.m. PST

Fascinated by all the "No's" – how did you even arrive at a Warhammer message board?

I left GW in anger several years ago, but the 40K Mortarian model peaked my interest. Next thing I know, I've spent hundreds of dollars on 40K 8th edition. Ironically still hven't bought Mortarian!

Pictors Studio18 May 2018 2:41 p.m. PST

The only people that pay more attention to GW than their fans are their haters.

Edwulf21 May 2018 3:15 a.m. PST

I'd all but abandoned them. But since they've bought blood bowl and neveomunda back they can take my money.

alpha3six21 May 2018 7:14 a.m. PST

Warhammer is one of those topics where the opinions of those who've never played or haven't played in decades, are incredibly relevant and helpful.

kallman22 May 2018 8:42 a.m. PST

I think Alpha3six just buried the needle on the sarcasm meter. grin

Centurio Prime29 May 2018 5:28 a.m. PST

LMAO… true alpha3six.

Axebreaker29 May 2018 6:41 a.m. PST

Kind of a mixed bag. I was a fantasy player, but did not like AOS nor did any in my gaming group which moved others to different rules with most playing KOW, 9th edition fan rules and some remaining with 8th edition for an occasional game. I liked 3rd edition and 8th edition.

I haven't purchased anything from GW in many years, but have been interested in watching what others are doing in the "Oldhammer" scene and having been thinking about maybe doing something there. I really do like the charm in the older figures.

Looking at the GW website for AOS I see a lot of new figures and some I recognize. The real new ones I don't like that much as they look to sci fi for me. They are also pretty expensive.

The Lord of the Rings/Hobbit stuff does look nice and more importantly fantasy looking. However, still pretty expensive.

I'm mostly a historical player so don't know if I'll try GW again, but maybe Oldhammer could sway me again as I would like to paint up something again for old times sake. Let's just say it's not out of the realm of possibilities.


Thomas Thomas29 May 2018 1:35 p.m. PST


If your interested we just completed the Olde World Expansion for Knights and Knaves (basically an historical medieval game using modernized DBX mechanics) which includes both the Hundred Years War and armies much like the "Olde World" of Warhammer.

Can be used for both historical games and fantasy.

Thomas J. Thomas
Fame & Glory Games

Rick181329 May 2018 1:49 p.m. PST

I play 40k and AoS in Open and Narrative mode. We use the AoS Skirmish and Path to Glory supplements with both games to play smaller narrative and open play battles. The open war cards are also great and we use both the 40k and AoS ones together.

I almost have my backlog fully painted and don't plan on expanding except to maybe grab a couple of the new stormcast items from the new starter once people sell them individually on ebay.

Axebreaker30 May 2018 11:46 a.m. PST

@Thomas Thomas

Hey thanks a lot for the gesture, but I'm a Impetus player for wargaming medieval armies and SAGA/Lion Rampant for skirmish. I just never quite liked DBA/DBX. As for fantasy if I do anything it will likely be 3rd edition WFB or maybe Dragon Rampant.


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