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Tango0116 May 2017 10:24 p.m. PST

…1945 Interview War Doc.

See here
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Amicalement
Armand

langobard17 May 2017 3:43 a.m. PST

Very moving, very sad.

Thanks Armand.

Who asked this joker17 May 2017 5:03 a.m. PST

It's fairly rare to see the shooter and the target in the same frame. Similarly also rare to see the effects immediately after the attack.

shirleylyn17 May 2017 8:05 a.m. PST

I'm a girly girl, but I've read up on this fight and what is'nt often mentioned is one of the Sherman tanks shot up a civilian car and it contained women. Can't recall if any survived, but somewhere on the net, there are grusome pictures of it.

Also, there is film of some civilians walking and being shot up by the tanks machine guns.

Costanzo117 May 2017 9:00 a.m. PST

It war not the first time and the last.

Tango0117 May 2017 10:21 a.m. PST

Glad you like it my friend!. (smile)


Amicalement
Armand

jdginaz17 May 2017 11:24 a.m. PST

There are a lot of things "somewhere" on the net.

jdginaz17 May 2017 3:02 p.m. PST

Ok I found this YouTube link account of the fight. A civilian car drives into the middle of a ongoing firefight and afterwards a wounded woman is found and treated by the GIs. Not a Sherman just shooting up a civilian car & other civilians.

Mark 1 Supporting Member of TMP17 May 2017 3:32 p.m. PST

I was there. I didn't shoot the car on purpose. All of a sudden she was driving through there. While shooting, I looked through my crosshairs and I saw her driving right across my fire. Whether I hit her or not … I always believe I did.

Sounds to me like, as jdginaz said, the car drove right into the middle of an ongoing firefight and got shot up.

One can hardly blame an 18 year old soldier, in the middle of a fight for his own life, for shooting and hitting something that's moving around the battlefield.

By the way, those words are the words of Gustav Schaefer, radio operator (hull machine gunner) in a Panther tank of PzBrigade 106, which had a jammed turret and was under fire by that Sherman tank (and US infantry) in Cologne.

So yeah, the US tanker may have shot the woman in the car, or the German tanker may have shot the woman in the car. Getting shot is a rather likely result of driving in between two tanks that are shooting at each other in a war.

She was lucky that it was the Americans who advanced, and the Germans who withdrew, in that case. Not that German medics wouldn't have wanted to treat a German civilian woman injured in the combat zone, but I doubt they would have had the time or supplies.

-Mark
(aka: Mk 1)

shirleylyn17 May 2017 8:04 p.m. PST

Not how I remember it, but ok…

Axis forum, maybe?

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