"Strelets Pro-German Police Battalion " Topic

Interesting set…
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Thank you Tango for showing this!

Mike Bunkermeister Creek

Been thinking of buying some of these, to confront my partisans. Ought to make an interesting little sideshow.

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Clearer photos and a review here.

Nice ideas – shame about the sculpting.

Some newer strelets sets seem to have solved this problem.

More than a little distasteful. Vile people.

This is a very strange, and I agree with Grognard, and distasteful choice of range to sell. Many of these so-called battalions brutalized their own people, and were found to collaborate with einsatzgruppen.

Made in the Ukraine – different attitude to these types because of anti-Russian views I suspect.

Seems like a strange claim to make given that Ukraine suffered through the same atrocities.

Looking at the plastic soldier review of Strelets

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Seems that they are pretty heavily into covering Russian conflicts.

Also to put this into context, the two previous sets were WW2 Soviet Partisans.

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Rome salted the ground of Carthage. But I still play with the toy soldiers. I think for certain scenarios these might be useful. They are not for me, but only because I don't play that style of "little war", not on taste grounds.

Hmm. I wonder if somebody in Dresden will make a set of "Red Socks":

Partisan warfare is not really my cup of tea – too many atrocities on all sides and they were in large part the mode of warfare rather than a by-product or incidental criminality. The 'Polizei' types would burn villages and murder the peasants for cooperating with the Partisans and the Partisans would do the same in return.

It would be possible to 'game' partisan conflicts in a manner that would be instructive and not in bad taste. But it'd be easy to slip across the line.

Same with Vietnam war games. Any that portray the 'village war' anyway.

How in the world do you "slip across the line" with toy soldiers?

We just had a poll about this.

Come on!… they are little toy soldiers… if anyone want to wargame with them… it's their right!…

It seems that these days there is some sensitivity about some history in the forum … nobody is making an apology for the WW2 assassins buying and wargaming with this little plastic soldiers…

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I've painted some of these as Mosleyites for Very British Civil War.

Marc-
How many Carthaginians have you known?
I actually have known some concentration camp survivors.

And there are no more Romans around salting fields.
but there are plenty of right wing nuts and neo Nazis
who are anti-semitic.

Hence the difference of opinions on this.

Tango-
Yes. Its their right. I would not ban them.

But is it tasteful? Or necessary?

Up next: Sonderkommandos!

Poorly done figures.

Close up of the figures:

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At least two appear to be shooting at something on the ground.

One doing a rifle butt at head level.

One with a club.

Final figure with a large axe.

NO SALE!

That last guy is a 17th century streltsi. At little anachronistic, but Strelets seems intent on including one (or in this case four) in every box.

Those shooting down seem to be modeled on those who shot victims in trenches they dug themselves. Is not the overhead rifle butt intended to be forcing people into railroad cars bound for camps. The club bearer might well be beating children in the Warsaw Ghetto.

That figure with the big axe is the spitting image of Russian infantry from the Renaissance

(Ahem!) ^

Pan, each to their own.

But by that reckoning, in (what) twenty years maybe, everyone with actual memory of that terrible war will be dead, so is it then tasteful like Rome and Carthage?

What is the timeline we need.

I think Vietnam was a terrible "police action", and I imagine for some veterans it is not comfortable. But we game it. With rules for booby traps and napalm.

There are wars ongoing now, and figures are available (I can buy "terrorists" in 1/72). Tasteful – I don't know. But each to their own.

But if a manufacturer wants to make these figures, which are probably useful for a whole range of "types", then I am not unduly bothered. I don't, for instance, feel toy soldiers are glorifying the war, or any individuals within it. When I paint a Panzer 3, I don't condone Nazi atrocities. But I do separate them in my mind, so I play tank battles with toy soldiers.

But then I don't ever watch gangster movies (yes, Godfather, I'm looking at you) – never have done, never will, as I feel they do glorify terror, violence and corruption, and make it glamorous. To me, the mafia is not something to idolise and glorify – and that is still going on. Yet we have gangster figures available, with games held at shows, often as participation games. So I guess we all have our own moral compasses at work don't we.

What my friend Marc have said….

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