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Paskal Supporting Member of TMP08 May 2017 2:34 a.m. PST

Hi All

For the wargames with 28 mm figures, only Wargames Foundry proposes a magnificent ‘La Hitte System‘ Rifled Canon of 12 , model 1859, loading by the jaw…

Do you know a manufacture proposing such a beautiful ‘La Hitte System‘ rifled campaign gun of 4 , model 1858, loading by the mouth ?

Nobody knows, incredible!

Cheers

Breton

Ramming08 May 2017 6:53 a.m. PST

My understanding is the La Hitte guns were all muzzle loading, both the 4pdr and the 12pdr, have foundry produced a breech loading 12pdr, this is incorrect surely ?

Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP08 May 2017 9:53 a.m. PST

No, the Foundry 12-lbr is definitely a muzzle-loader. link I think the confusion with Breton's post is a translation glitch between his native French and written English.

But as Breton stated, I also wish someone did make a La Hitte 4-lbr.

Jim

Ramming09 May 2017 2:06 a.m. PST

Ah, PENDRAKEN do a nice little 4pdr but in 10mm alas.

jammy four Sponsoring Member of TMP09 May 2017 2:30 a.m. PST

we make one of these tremendous guns at Gringo40s
as used by the Neapolitan Army in 1860..see our
Garibaldi,s war of 1860 range (28mm)

cheers
Ged
gringo40s.com
gingo40s.blogspot.com

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP09 May 2017 7:13 a.m. PST

Yes, my message is a glitch translation from my native Trégor-Goëlo Breton to the French language and afterwards into written English, but loading by the jaw… = by the mouth = muzzle loading, no ?

The figurines of gringo40s.com are enormous, a piece of 4 with them will be bigger than the piece of 12 from Wargames foundry, no?

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP09 May 2017 7:27 a.m. PST

Ah, I forgot, if you find a valid compatible in scale with the French Rifled Canon of 12, model 1859, from Wargame foundry, please contact me at:

22breton@orange.fr

Thank you

Vidgrip09 May 2017 2:03 p.m. PST

It is terribly sad that "28 mm" figures for mid-19th century European wars are so often incompatible due to scale creep and style differences. It happens across our hobby, of course, but this era has so few options that it feels more painful.

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP09 May 2017 10:17 p.m. PST

Fully agree with you, I bet the canons of gringo40s are incompatible with those of Wargame foundry !

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP10 May 2017 2:19 a.m. PST

Since there is no notification system by e-mail on this forum, please contact me by e-mail if you have just posted a message,thank you.

22breton@orange.fr

It is strange that such an important website does not have a notification system by e-mail?

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP13 May 2017 4:33 a.m. PST

Ah I forgot,I put several ads to buy figurines,please see if you have to sell …

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP29 May 2017 7:03 a.m. PST

The tube of the 12 pdr Napoleon French Rifled Field Gun – (reference CMFG001 of Wargame Foundry) measure 31mm.

In reality the length of the tube of the 12 pdr Napoleon French Rifled Field Gun is of 191 cm, which gives us a scale of 1 / 61,61 because the length of the tubes of the guns is immutable unlike the size of the men …

With this scale the size of the gunner of this gun (29 mm)- Artillerymen (reference FPF055 of wargame foundry,the figurine with a swab) is 1m78 !

Gringo40s offers a 12 pdr Napoleon French Rifled Field Gun (Reference MAG2) with two tubes, that of a piece of 12 and that of a piece of 8 in its range on the Mexican adventure.

These french rifled field guns of 8 are old bronze pieces, model 1827, which were scratched according to the Hitte system in 1869.

And in any case it was never used during the French Second Empire, and still less during the Mexican adventure.

After being scratched according to the Hitte system in 1869, it will be used only by the artillery of the republic during the end of the war of 1870-1871.

Obviously these three guns of 12, 8 and 4 had different gun carriages which is not the case with Gringo 40s who simply merely reverses the gun barrels for the same gun carriage!?

The tube of the French Rifled Field Gun of 4 (reference MAG2 12lb Cannon of Gringo40s)measure 30mm.

In reality the length of the tube of the French Rifled Field Gun of 4 is of 160 cm, which gives us a scale of 1 / 53,53 because the length of the tubes of the guns is immutable unlike the size of the men …

So using the 12lb Cannon of Gringo40s as French Rifled Field Gun of 4 – (reference MAG2 as this is the only valid model I know for the French Rifled Field Gun of 4) the size of the artillerymen(Reference FPF055 of wargame foundry, which are very beautiful)is 29 mm either 1m55 with a scale of 1 / 53,53!

And to these 29 mm to which you can also add the thickness of the base of the artilleryman figure and the thickness of the base on which it will be fixed …

Good for the service !

Good for the service because in 1870 even men below the legal limit of 1.55 m are mobilized if they have a strong constitution …

Also this very beautiful model of French Rifled Field Gun of 4 by Gringo40s will be perfectly usable with the beautiful french artillerymen reference FPF055 of wargame foundry…

jammy four Sponsoring Member of TMP31 May 2017 4:11 a.m. PST

Breton


thanks very much for your input
and fascinating explanation
of the relevant artillery

en avant!!

regards
Ged
gringo40s.com

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP31 May 2017 10:08 p.m. PST

Yes I regret not buying them sooner

I look forward that you contacting me for what you know…

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP01 Aug 2017 10:54 p.m. PST

The‘La Hitte System‘ french rifled campaign gun of 4, model 1858, of gringo40s.com is really beautiful, but nevertheless it lacks the two "anses" (handles)on the tube…

Green Stuff forward!

Paskal Supporting Member of TMP17 Sep 2017 2:52 a.m. PST

Ged, you have a reference (5NEA AP1)of 'La Hitte System' French Rifled Canon of 6 Ib?

It never existed a'La Hitte System' French Rifled Canon of 6 ib, they were 4Ib …

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