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Bozkashi Jones02 May 2017 2:08 p.m. PST

Here's a simple question – do we need separate naval boards?

My thing is naval gaming and I check the boards regularly; often I find on any one board it may have been days since the last post. With this in mind, and also bearing in mind I'm just as happy to read posts about C19th frigates as the Falklands War, would it be easier to see all naval wargaming posts in one place?

One forum to rule them all? What do people think?

Nick

devsdoc02 May 2017 3:15 p.m. PST

NO!
Be safe
Rory

Allen5702 May 2017 3:23 p.m. PST

Like you BJ I like any naval gaming. Some only one era. Whatever. Leave em alone.

Bozkashi Jones02 May 2017 3:32 p.m. PST

He he – didn't think it was THAT controversial! Come on Rory – let's tempt you to the dark side! Allen – I humbly acquiesce, but I still can't help thinking there's loads for the eras to share… Why there's the naval gamers' famous flare for scenery, isn't there?!

Yellow Admiral02 May 2017 4:47 p.m. PST

We don't need fewer naval boards, we need more naval gamers. :-)

- Ix

Joe Legan Supporting Member of TMP02 May 2017 5:22 p.m. PST

Agree with Yellow Admiral. I am not interested in the Falklands war.
Reasonable idea given your interests though.
But no

Joe

devsdoc02 May 2017 6:25 p.m. PST

As said before "NO" but thanks
Be safe
Rory

hindsTMP Supporting Member of TMP02 May 2017 6:30 p.m. PST

The tendency is for our Editor to create new boards, rather than to consolidate them. My vote would have been to combine the Painting Guides and Gallery boards, as the 2 concepts are similar. Unfortunately due to his decision to combine WWI and WWII painting guides, this would no longer be so easy to do.

MH

Kevin in Albuquerque Supporting Member of TMP02 May 2017 6:45 p.m. PST

nope.

Volunteer Fezian Inactive Member02 May 2017 11:21 p.m. PST

Bozkashi Jone,

I remember back when there was no specific age of sail board and we had to sift through everything to find a relavent post. There were two very long extended posts as I recall debating how to separate and organize all of the naval periods. It was agonizing and the final decisions didn't please everyone. But we fought hard to get what we have. I don't remember you commenting back then. I for one do not want to take a step backward!

Bozkashi Jones03 May 2017 1:34 a.m. PST

I say, steady on Volunteer! I was only asking a question!

Evidently the debate to which you refer predates my membership of TMP, but if it had not my response would have been the same; to be happy to go with the consensus.

Best wishes,

Nick

138SquadronRAF Supporting Member of TMP03 May 2017 7:00 a.m. PST

While I follow a follow a simple policy – if it floats I want to game it. I most definitely do not want a board covering ancient galleys to post WWII naval.

Having a single area called Naval with multiple boards is the idea that I suggested to Our Dear Editor years ago. I was told that this was not possible "Because reasons" and so will follow the wisdom of Our Dear Editor.

devsdoc03 May 2017 9:59 a.m. PST

Nick,
We fought hard for this site. (Thanks dear Editor) You did not ask a question, but opened a can of worms and added salt to an open wound. As you started this thread don't start having a go at Vol and all of us Sailing Fans. So I'm saying "Steady on Nick!".
Be safe
Rory

Bozkashi Jones03 May 2017 11:05 a.m. PST

Gentlemen

My question was a simple one, asked in all innocence, and obviously I was totally unaware of previous politics on these boards. I was certainly taken aback by the sudden vitriol something I have never encountered on naval TMP boards ever.

I must emphasise that there was absolutely no intention to open a can of worms or break some taboo I am a naval gamer who just thought it would be nice to see all naval posts in one place; we are a minority within a minority so the frequency of our posts is less.

That this is not a popular thought is fine, but don't make the assumption that just because previous posts on this subject of which I am completely unaware may have been belligerent (which is what I'm surmising from the reaction) that that has anything to do with me.

To take it back to basics I asked what people thought; that didn't really deserve being pilloried did it? And to make it clear I just wondered, but I am happiest with consensus, so separate boards are fine by me. As for rubbing salt into the wound, I didn't even know there was a wound and certainly didn't want to rub salt into it.

If someone would care to link the thread which has clearly caused such pain maybe I can understand why my innocent question was so controversial.

Nick

Pontius03 May 2017 11:23 a.m. PST

I'm a little late joining the action, but I agree with the majority in that I prefer the status quo with separate boards for each era. A board spanning the entire gamut from ancient galleys to the nuclear age would be a bit too much.

138SquadronRAF Supporting Member of TMP03 May 2017 11:45 a.m. PST

Nick,

In fairness the fights took place before you joined TMP.

You shouldn't be jumped on for asking a question, even if some of us were not happy with Our Dear Leader's decision. The solution we have works. I check all of the naval boards several times a week so it's not an issue for me. I hope my response didn't come across as too harsh. If it did I apologies and am truly sorry.

Our Dear Leader did cull a whole string of naval boards relating to books and painting due to lack of use. He refused to follow his own policy on low traffic boards on some of the other for example, the "Empire" rules board in the Napoleonic section and so we naval gamers are a little sensitive to further reductions.

This may help you understand some of the background.

TMP link

TMP link

Bozkashi Jones03 May 2017 2:11 p.m. PST

138, thank you; that makes it far clearer, and I can see why having fewer naval boards would be seen as a further marginalisation of naval gaming. I can also see that a good solution, to group naval boards in one 'zone', has been suggested, promoted and ultimately rejected by the administrator, which again helps me understand the sensitivities.

My best wishes,

Nick

Volunteer Fezian Inactive Member03 May 2017 10:34 p.m. PST

Thanks Elliot, I spent a good hour last night trying to find those threads to link for Nick.

Nick, please accept my apology for sounding so uptight with you. If you read through the previous threads you will see that like Elliot, I and several more of us wanted a Naval Section, with all of the various naval boards under it. There is The Napoleonic Boards, The ACW Boards, why not The Naval Boards. We were overruled by our Editor-in-Chief and got what we got. So you just have to search for them or know where to find them. I know ironclads are under ACW (good luck finding European ironclads there). Galleys in Ancients & Rennaisance. So I am sorry you stumbled into a sore subject. Your question was innocent and the same question a lot of us had. We were lucky to get what we did. Here was the main discussion thread started by Elliot. You may find it interesting reading.
TMP link

Bozkashi Jones04 May 2017 4:19 a.m. PST

Thank you Volunteer, and thanks again to Elliot.

I can see the struggle you had to get what we now have and fully appreciate why my question, naive as it was, was so unwelcome.

My best wishes, and I'm so glad we've sorted this out.

Nick

devsdoc04 May 2017 4:37 a.m. PST

Nick,
All is well my friend. Sorry! if I came over a bit sour.
Be safe
Rory

Lion in the Stars04 May 2017 6:32 a.m. PST

You know, we do have the ability to cross-link boards (witness Flames of War showing up in WW1, WW2, and Modern).

So it would be possible to create a 'Naval' area with all the boards cross-listed there, without removing them from where they are now.

138SquadronRAF Supporting Member of TMP04 May 2017 8:28 a.m. PST

Lion,

Not quite what we need. I can see crossposting between say the "Ironclad" and "WWI" Boards, if it fell in the gap between 1889 – end of the Ironclad board and 1898 – the beginning of the WWI Board.

BTW – yes I have asked Our Dear Leader to change the dates, but again not done 'for reasons.'

I don't see the point of cross posting a story about say an ultra-modern carrier to the 'galley' boards which covers the Ancient to Renaissance period.

Our objective was to try have an area of Interest – like say the WWII Board – that was called "Naval" and accessed the various naval boards.

Having a single "naval" board covering some 3,000 years of history will satisfy very few people.

Bozkashi Jones04 May 2017 10:11 a.m. PST

Thanks Rory, feeling the love and no harm done!

Lion – do you mean one page with all the naval boards listed but those also still being on their current pages? A bit like how I can access the ironclads board via either the ACW or the 19th Century boards?

Volunteer Fezian Inactive Member06 May 2017 10:54 p.m. PST

Yes Nick

Queen Catherine09 May 2017 11:17 a.m. PST

It'd be nice if there was a way to click on a tab and see ALL naval boards, of every era, including spaceship wargaming.

It'd help keep tabs on it.

I know I sometimes overlook things due to how they are mixed and classified here at TMP.

Rallynow Supporting Member of TMP09 May 2017 1:44 p.m. PST

Just leave the Naval guys alone. It's their hobby. I am for whatever floats their boats.

They are a sensitive bunch.

Volunteer Fezian Inactive Member09 May 2017 11:30 p.m. PST

Queen Catherine,

Exactly!

noigrim11 May 2017 2:29 p.m. PST

No!

It is bad enough that some unrelated periods such as Ancients and Renaissance have to share the galley topic to merge all of them into a mismatched gestalt.

Hussar123 Inactive Member12 May 2017 7:36 p.m. PST

yes, what he said.

Volunteer Fezian Inactive Member13 May 2017 7:34 a.m. PST

Ok, one more try at explaining what some of us are talking about, then I'll give up:

Main board "Naval Gaming Boards". Within this:

Ancient Naval
Galleys
Age of Sail: (sub-boards)
Armada/Lepanto
Anglo/Dutch Wars
Seven Years War
American Revolution
Napoleonic Naval Discusion
○ Napoleonic Naval Painting Guides
○ 1812 Great Lakes
Steam and Sail
Ironclads: (sub-boards)
European Ironclads
ACW Ironclads
Predreadnoghts
Dreadnoughts
WWI Naval
WWII Naval
Modern Naval
Fantasy Naval

Whaever other sub-boards are needed would easily fit under any of these headings

Some or most of the list above already exist somewhere, I have trouble finding them.

138SquadronRAF Supporting Member of TMP14 May 2017 9:04 a.m. PST

Yes. That what we proposed years ago.

Our Dear Leader – Bill Armintrout – has decided that this is not going to happen for "technical reasons."

If you would care to actually read the discussion above – including the related links- you would actually see that this has been brought up and Our Dear Leader has nixed the idea.

138SquadronRAF Supporting Member of TMP14 May 2017 9:04 a.m. PST

Yes. That what we proposed years ago.

Our Dear Leader – Bill Armintrout – has decided that this is not going to happen for "technical reasons."

If you would care to actually read the discussion above – including the related links- you would actually see that this has been brought up and Our Dear Leader has nixed the idea.

Volunteer Fezian Inactive Member14 May 2017 10:11 a.m. PST

Thanks Elliot

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