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shirleylyn Inactive Member01 May 2017 11:50 a.m. PST

My husband wants to start the game SAGA, and he wants to buy some Templar Knights from FireForge.

My question(from my husband, who has been booted from this site) is, is there a place in SAGA for these figure? He also wants to know what BATTLE BOARD and dice should be used for the knights?

Thanks, boys.

TheDesertBox Inactive Member01 May 2017 12:09 p.m. PST

You most certainly can. Buy SAGA Cresent & Cross (the Crusades version). It not only has the battle boards and rules for those models, but has some updated rules from base SAGA. Cresent & Cross is a standalone game too.

He will want a set of the cross dice. He can use that army against any other saga army, although one of the arab armies would be most appropriate historically.

advocate Supporting Member of TMP01 May 2017 12:10 p.m. PST

Not sure about the current status of SAGA and its offshoots, but the best place to get and answer to your questions would be here:

steamingdave4701 May 2017 12:11 p.m. PST

Milites Christi? And the Crescent and Cross Christian factions dice seem appropriate.

jefritrout01 May 2017 12:51 p.m. PST

Folks commonly use the Fireforge knights in SAGA to represent the Milites Christi (the faction for the Holy Orders during the Crusades). Many of the Sergeants are used to represent regular Crusader factions as well.

As stated above – he should buy Crescent and the Cross (SAGA) since that is a stand alone rule set. It includes

Milites Christi
Muttatawia (the fanatical Muslim tribes)

shirleylyn Inactive Member01 May 2017 1:35 p.m. PST

So I should buy just Crescent and the Cross, and NOT the SAGA main book? Are they different games?

I don't understand(remember, I just paint the figures, LOL). Do both games use those Battle Boards?


Marshal Mark01 May 2017 2:16 p.m. PST

It's the same game. I think there are a few rules updates in the Crescent & Cross book. You only need to buy Crescent & Cross.

TheDesertBox Inactive Member01 May 2017 2:58 p.m. PST

You only need to buy Cresent & Cross.

To clarify: the rulebook comes with the battle boards, but not the dice.

In a pinch, you can use standard D6, but the official dice make it much easier to play.

shirleylyn Inactive Member01 May 2017 6:14 p.m. PST

Thanks, boys! just ordered C&C and something from FireForge.

My husband will be happy!(which is a rare thing)

shirleylyn Inactive Member02 May 2017 10:23 a.m. PST

Can my husband buy the Battle Boards from the Saga book(the original book)without buying the first book?

jefritrout02 May 2017 10:46 a.m. PST

Unfortunately, the answer is no.

shirleylyn Inactive Member02 May 2017 3:57 p.m. PST

So in the end, I DO have to buy both books…I now see why my husband was saying how expensive it is to get into this game…

Henry Martini Inactive Member02 May 2017 5:27 p.m. PST

This is the main reason I've never acquired a copy. I suspect many others feel the same, so although SAGA is one of the most successful games on the historicals scene, if it weren't for its uncompetitive pricing it would probably completely dominate. The same commercial handicap applies to all the other Studio Tomahawk publications – which I've also bypassed.

shirleylyn Inactive Member02 May 2017 7:46 p.m. PST

well, like I said, I want to make my husband happy. He had major back sergury in late February and he is mostly in pain and a bad mood. I want to do something nice for him.

I ordered C&C and a set of figures from Fire Forge(these look like very nice figures, but their site is TERRIBLE.)

I guess I will also get the SAGA viking book.

This has busted my stash of money…Guess I have to forget about curtens this month…

Puster Supporting Member of TMP02 May 2017 11:10 p.m. PST

Just use domestic retailers. You usually get a discount and have less hassle with customs and post service.

As there are a couple of Saga armies around, you could just ask him which he wants (after he read CC, as this is already on its way). Building the army that is your historical focus is a major motivator. Building one where cheap plastic sets are available is a bonus.

A major point is also that Saga – as any historical tabletop – offers a whole world of a hobby to research, collect, assemble and paint miniatures and armies, though ultimatels it needs another grognard to play – ideally vs. a friend who also does not care in the least who wins but only that the evening with the game is fun to both. Ideally he already knows someone, or he has to find somebody near. I found a couple by gaming, so this is a good start :-)

shirleylyn Inactive Member03 May 2017 6:44 a.m. PST

Thanks Puster. My husband mostly collects Blood Bowl figures(he has over 2,000 figures for that game. Yes. 2,000+ FIGURES, and he does'nt collect sideline staff) and ACW in 15mm. He is certainly the "have fun" kind of gamer. As long as the table looks good, and everybody has a good time, he's fine.

He just is grumpy because of his back. Like I posted, he has been interested in SAGA for a year or more, and he has already bought some warriors that I painted, LOL! But he was certainly right about the cost! Mean to say, I bought C&C and a few sets from FireForge, so he could have a army to put togeather, but now I see I have to buy some other army as an a opponet.

Even the DICE sets are expensive as heck!

jefritrout03 May 2017 12:23 p.m. PST

Where in PA are you guys? There are some folks that play in Harrisburg and others in Lancaster. I know that during Fall-In we will have a friendly tournament that takes all comers at all skill levels.

coopman Supporting Member of TMP03 May 2017 3:21 p.m. PST

The C&C book is a stand-alone book, if memory serves me correctly.

Dexter Ward04 May 2017 2:59 a.m. PST

You don't need the Saga book as well as Crescent and Cross (unless you also want to fight Dark Age battles).
Crescent and Cross is a complete set of rules.

Personal logo Bowman Supporting Member of TMP04 May 2017 10:57 a.m. PST

Shirleylyn, why don't you buy some inexpensive Arab plastic troops and form up a warband to fight against your husband's Milites Christi? That way you only have to buy Crescent and the Cross and 2 sets of dice. If you both find you really like the game then pick up either the Saga book or one of the expansion books.

Henry Martini Inactive Member04 May 2017 5:05 p.m. PST

FYI, there are three sets of Arab plastics made by Gripping Beast: infantry (can be made as either spearmen or archers), light cavalry, and heavy cavalry.

Puster Supporting Member of TMP05 May 2017 3:24 a.m. PST

Even the DICE sets are expensive as heck!

Its not "even", its an "especially". I assume they make most of their money selling dice…

That said, one CAN use normal dice to play, and just buy these for your main army. Once you have painted 80 minis the cost of the dice starts to become an irrelevant factor :-)

For cheap intros you can look for HÄT 28mm-miniatures. Not the best quality, but I got 36 mounted Arabs for around 30$ when they were on sale, for a 6pt Moorish army. Alas, HÄT does not mix with the other main plastic companies, like Conquest, GB, Fireforge etc…

BTW: here is the excerpt of Griefbringers list of Plastic Kits:

- Dark Age Warriors (GB)

- Saxon Fyrd (WF)
- Saxon Thegns (WF)
- Saxon Thegns (GB)

- Viking Bondi (WF)
- Viking Huscarls (WF)
- Viking Hirdmen (GB)

- Medieval Archers (CG)
- Norman Infantry (CG)
- Norman Knights (CG)

- Arab Spearmen & Archers (GB)
- Arab Light Cavalry (GB)
- Arab Heavy Cavalry (GB)

- Spanish Heavy Infantry (HI)
- Spanish Light Infantry (HI)

- Andalusian Heavy Infantry (HI)
- Andalusian Light Infantry (HI)
- Andalusian Light Cavalry (HI)
- Andalusian Heavy Cavalry (HI)

- Almoravid Heavy Infantry (HI)
- Almoravid Light Infantry (HI)
- Almoravid Light Cavalry (HI)
- Almoravid Heavy Cavalry (HI)


- Teutonic Infantry (FG)
- Teutonic Knights Cavalry (FG)
- Templar Infantry (FG)
- Templar Knights Cavalry (FG)
- Foot Sergeants (FG)
- Sergeants at Arms (FG)
- Mounted Sergeants (FG)

- Russian Infantry (FG)

- Steppe Warriors (FG)
- Mongol Cavalry (FG)

- 13th Century Knights (EM)
- Longbowmen (EM)
- Great Crossbows (EM)
- Great Crossbow Crew (EM)

- Conquest Games (CG)
- Eccentric Miniatures (EM)
- Fireforge Games (FG)
- Gripping Beast (GB)
- HäT Industrie (HI)
- Perry Miniatures (PM)
- Plastic Soldier Company (PSC)
- Renedra Limited (RE)
- Victrix Limited (VL)
- Wargames Factory (WF)
- Warlord Games (WG)

Its a bit outdated, but perhaps it helps

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