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glenkk30 Apr 2017 4:12 p.m. PST

i am staying with v3 are you ,if so why

Personal logo Extra Crispy Sponsoring Member of TMP30 Apr 2017 4:27 p.m. PST

Because I like it and don't need a new edition. Frankly, I *add* rules to 3rd edition, as it's pretty fluffy as it is detail wise.

Winston Smith30 Apr 2017 4:29 p.m. PST

I'm sticking with 3rd.
The biggest selling points for the 4th edition leave me cold.

1905Adventure30 Apr 2017 5:27 p.m. PST

2nd and 3rd edition books, 4th for rules. Not getting any of the army books, command cards, etc.,. v2 North Africa book for me.

21eRegt30 Apr 2017 5:30 p.m. PST

The jury is still out, but considering the investment in books and such that some have made, I expect we'll make the shift.

alan in canberra30 Apr 2017 10:38 p.m. PST

Staying with V3. Not interested in a simplified card game. Alan

Rrobbyrobot01 May 2017 4:31 a.m. PST

I'm staying with V3. The new rules are too simplified for my tastes. I'm having the same problem with Bolt Action.

Lion in the Stars01 May 2017 5:41 a.m. PST

One particularly noisy gamer is refusing to play v4, even though the rest of us think v4 may be better.

I have a few houserules I want to try for Flames, using the "naval" gunfire support and Sea and Air Superiority (aka counterbattery fire) from Gung Ho in more games.

For Vietnam, I want to bring back the ability to have airstrikes land on my own troops if I fail to range in, and that rule is from v1!

Skeptic01 May 2017 7:47 a.m. PST

V3

TMPWargamerabbit01 May 2017 8:45 a.m. PST

V3 for the rabbit. Played FOW since 2004

V4 as mentioned above is gone too far to ease the game play.

The current released lists are questionable at best, and a poor relation to the available pile of lists in V3. Will take years to cover the basic theaters of war releasing a "list or region" once a quarter. I would have retained the lists of V4 with all the teams/platoons unchanged and configured the V4 rules to them.

Points is a joke for two thirds of the game (EW/LW).

The FAQ file is growing larger, and larger, with basic ruling everyday.

Weird rules….. rifles taking out bunkers, moving snipers, planes cannot hit or cause damage, artillery wipes out dug in teams…. how WWII unit survived those heavy bombardments and still fought???, tanks hull machine guns rear firing… flamethrowers work best in defensive fire but cannot hit enemy teams dug in, how large is bombardment template with 4 rocket launchers, with 6?….there are dozens and dozen more to list…the simplified rules keep giving pause to this V4.

Infantry movements…. out running tanks. 16". 18". 20"….funny to see and read AAR reports of V4 games posted to the internet. Jeep movements, if I heard or read correct, cross the table on road in one move? Blitz move and fire…. with that heavy cannon. Games scenario over before defenders reserves arrive on the tabletop due to the speed of the units.

As for cards…. I made my own to identify the components of a platoon, basic stats etc. Not needed for play unless a new player needs the help. Also makes process for pickup easy with a photo of the actual models making up the platoon to return to storage box… which has the same photo in zonal storage compartments. But to use cards to enlarge the unit or platoon availability…. that is just cheap when the lists should have covered the same, in the released books. Now cards to cause "events" in scenarios…. maybe. But TO's will ban.

Tournaments will grow smaller after V3 events die out in coming year. Only V4 will be promoted….the stores cannot promote the older V3 and BF will only cover V4 events. So all the players staying with V3 just stay home…. with their smaller club games.

New V4 players, if they can see the older V3 games, will feel jealous of the larger established V3 collections and scenic boards. Will they convert to V3?… hard without some of the dropped teams in platoons painted and availability of books / MRB in future.

In short time… BF will no longer support V3 questions on their forums. No rule questions answered by staff. It will come down to house rules… a sort of V3.1. The game will, in time, play differently in different regions. Any form of National event would become history for V3.

The big problem…. the V3 vs. V4 schism in the active FOW player ranks, in the established clubs, in the small groups, at the gaming store.

Good luck BF. Hope all have their games, in V3 and V4, locally, regional and national. But history tells of a similar time… in the ancients gaming world. Now, ancients is so scattered under different rules the ability to game locally is questionable and small scale at best. Rarely does ancients have regional events. National event possible.. as the smaller number of players using that rule set collect to make a mass of gamers at national level. But for regional…. iffy. Will the same happen to FOW as now there are two versions of FOW?

All the other new WWII rules sets former FOW players are looking into. If one or two key members in a group change out…. the group or gaming cell dies away. Seen it happen within my own gaming group, sure to happen in others.

Winston Smith01 May 2017 9:00 a.m. PST

… flamethrowers work best in defensive fire but cannot hit enemy teams dug in…

Seriously? That's the opposite of Real Life.

Winston Smith01 May 2017 9:02 a.m. PST

The ironic thing is that I have been defending FoW for quite some time from the more "hardcore" WWII gamers who claim it's too simple. So BF counters this argument by dummying down the game.

wizbangs01 May 2017 4:38 p.m. PST

Been there, done that with GWs Warhammer.

I played Spearhead for 20 years because it was simple, fast moving, but still realistically plausible. Only went into FOW 3 years ago because I think they got it right mixing playability with realism (which is always a challenge as evidenced on this message board).

V4 is for the tournament players. No reason in the world for a happy v3 player to chase after v4.

dice gunner02 May 2017 9:26 a.m. PST

What can be said that hasn't already. Truth be told. V3 is a good solid set of rules. Sometimes we just can't out do ourselves when we finally did it right. V3 for me. Happy gaming.

rhacelt23 May 2017 5:34 a.m. PST

I agree V3 is the better game.

Old Wolfman23 May 2017 7:05 a.m. PST

Played a V3 game. Still trying to figure out the MW point system for V4. My main force is MW/LW Germans.

HidaSeku24 May 2017 10:32 a.m. PST

V3 for me.

Nothing about V4 is enticing to me.

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