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Tango0128 Apr 2017 12:40 p.m. PST

"One of the first uses of the IS-85 tank was in the Korsun Pocket. The 13th Guards Heavy Tank Regiment, equipped with brand new IS-85s, was sent to block Kampfgruppe Bake (an unusual formation equipped with both Tiger and Panther tanks) from breaking through to the pocket. Forczyk describes this engagement as not particularly favourable to the IS tanks.


"These heavy tanks were committed into action on 15 February and unwisely attacked Kampfgruppe Bake instead of sitting on the defense; the Panthers and Tigers knocked virtually all of them out. Following this incident, the GABTU resolved to upgrade the new IS-series heavy tanks to the 122 mm gun."


Oof, that's quite a mistake for a book published in 2015. The decree titled "On IS tanks" authorized the production of an IS tank armed with a 122 mm gun in September of 1943. By February 15th, these tanks were not only in production, but had already reached the front lines.


However, there's something else fishy in play here. This unit that was destroyed by Tigers and Panthers mysteriously pops up on the very next page to wreak havoc on Kampfgruppe Bake and Frank's attempts to break through to the encircled men. Let's take a look at what actually happened…"
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Mobius29 Apr 2017 7:21 a.m. PST

According to the Russian story neither of the two JS-1 tank regiments were engaged with German tanks around that date. Thus any tanks the Germans encountered whether they destroyed them or were destroyed by them must of been other than the JS-1s.
I makes a good story when an author finds that the latest tanks arrived around the date and location when a tank battle breaks out but there were a lot of tanks in the area. He should of looked into it in more detail.

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