Tango01 | 27 Apr 2017 9:18 p.m. PST |
…crumbles "Two Britons and one US citizen are among dozens who have surrendered or been caught at Turkish border
Large numbers of foreign fighters and sympathisers are abandoning Islamic State and trying to enter Turkey, with at least two British nationals and a US citizen joining an exodus that is depleting the ranks of the terror group. Stefan Aristidou, from Enfield in north London, his British wife and Kary Paul Kleman, from Florida, last week surrendered to Turkish border police after more than two years in areas controlled by Isis, sources have confirmed to the Guardian…" Main page link Many of these foreign fighters do not (or cannot) blend in with the local population…they know that when the fight is finally over, retribution and revenge will be the order of the day ….I do not feel any pain for them. Amicalement Armand |
shirleylyn | 28 Apr 2017 1:46 a.m. PST |
They should be put to the sword. |
Lion in the Stars | 28 Apr 2017 1:59 a.m. PST |
No, I want them questioned, so we can root out the DAESH support network back in the civilized world. Then we can try them for War Crimes, and hang them by the neck until dead. |
PMC317 | 28 Apr 2017 3:00 a.m. PST |
I think that re-education camps Soviet style might work? |
paulgenna | 28 Apr 2017 8:18 a.m. PST |
If they are not tried and killed they will come back when the next ISIS group starts up. |
Tango01 | 28 Apr 2017 11:31 a.m. PST |
Totally Agree! Amicalement Armand
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USAFpilot | 28 Apr 2017 12:00 p.m. PST |
I think we can all agree that releasing prisoners from the terrorist prison at Guantanamo Bay Cuba was a bad idea. Many of those fighters ended up back on the battlefield. Let's not make the same mistake with these ISIS fighters. They are killers and should be executed after being fully interrogated. |
Andy ONeill | 28 Apr 2017 12:30 p.m. PST |
ISIS are rather medieval. Oubliettes were a medieval remedy for people you really didn't like. |
Wolfshanza | 28 Apr 2017 10:44 p.m. PST |
Now, Now ! I believe they are entitled to a fair trial….followed by a short rope ! |
Great War Ace | 29 Apr 2017 8:05 a.m. PST |
@Andy: "Feet first, it's the only way." |
Rod I Robertson | 29 Apr 2017 10:24 a.m. PST |
I wonder one thing. Whose going to execute prisoners in Syria? The ICC does not issue death sentences. The US is operating illegally in Syria and has no legal standing to do so. If it did start extrajudicial killings which could be proved to have happened before a court then the US military, its uniformed leadership and its civilian masters could all be prosecuted for war crimes and murder. So who is going to carry out such an illegal policy knowing that they are likely to be held criminally liable for such actions? Rod Robertson. |
Tango01 | 29 Apr 2017 10:25 a.m. PST |
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zoneofcontrol | 29 Apr 2017 3:18 p.m. PST |
There is as much or more concern about the political prisoners in Syria. The Syrian "government" is executing them by the score. As to the POWs, that could be left to the various factions that take control of their regions. Maybe even work out prisoner exchanges. There is not much need to concern oneself with international "justice" as there is plenty of reams of paper to be printed on and everybody has access to a microphone. That constitutes the credibility and reliability of said "justice". And maybe they could all agree to allow the US to preform the service of execution as an added bonus for services rendered. |
ITALWARS | 29 Apr 2017 4:26 p.m. PST |
Why not offering them to the kurds… |
Charlie 12 | 29 Apr 2017 7:36 p.m. PST |
They should be put to the sword. And that would make us little better than ISIS itself. |
Lion in the Stars | 30 Apr 2017 12:02 a.m. PST |
@Charlie 12: Exactly. Question them to chase down the DAESH funding and recruiting channels (and stop those), then try the DAESH fighters for war crimes. While I'm loath to make taking up arms against a legitimate government a war crime, DAESH's lack of use of uniforms *is* a war crime all by itself. Then we can add hiding behind civilians, deliberate targeting of civilians, and taking reprisals against civilians. |
Rod I Robertson | 30 Apr 2017 8:50 a.m. PST |
Lion in the Stars posted: While I'm loath to make taking up arms against a legitimate government a war crime, DAESH's lack of use of uniforms *is* a war crime all by itself. Then we can add hiding behind civilians, deliberate targeting of civilians, and taking reprisals against civilians. The problem is that if you prosecute ISIL for these crimes then you also have to prosecute your own SOF forces, clandestine operators and many military contractors who do not wear uniforms, hide among the civilian population and deliberately kill civilians as collateral damage in order to kill high value targets. The Nuremberg tribunals used the principle that you could only try the enemy for crimes which your own side's armies did not do. While ISIL has been monsterous and brutal, so has the Coallition although in a stand-off sort of way. The second obstacle is proving that individual ISIL fighters committed specific illegal acts such as war crimes. If you can then fine, make the case and mete out the appropriate punishments. But you can't try all ISIL captives for war crimes based on membership in that organisation or you must also collectively hold all Coallition soldiers and operators for the real and provable crimes committed by some of their colleagues during the military operations which the Coalition initiated in Iraq. Guilt by association is not a sufficient grounds for conviction and execution. One must prove acts or direct support of acts and not membership in organisations. So this whole vengeance and murder fantasy in this thread is just that, a fantasy. Those who advocate the wholesale slaughter of ISIL members are as extremist and fundamentalist as the people they seek to liquidate en masse. Evil is evil, whether you are ISIL or not. Such advocacy of the across the board killing of all ISIL fighters or members based on dehumanising ISIL members and then killing them for membership in that organisation is laying the foundation for justifying yet another mass murder of the "other". Would the Germans have been legally jusified to liquidate all Jews in Warsaw after the Warsaw Uprising? They fought without uniforms, hid among the rest of the populace once they left their ghettos during the uprising and committed atrocities as part of their attempted self liberation gambit. No, those Germans who ordered the mass murder were guilty of crimes and if possible, were prosecuted and punished for war crimes. If the Coalition does the same, they are no different. Rod Robertson. |