"ISIS or IS-US, Indonesia a Smoking Gun?" Topic

Investigative journalist Allan Nairn has linked a lawyer representing a powerful US-owned mining company (owned by a close confident and informal advisor to the sitting president of the USA) to an active ISIS cell in Indonesia. What's more is this lawyer who is a director of the FPI (a group of bully boys, thugs and assassins formed in the days of the Suharto Regime) is allegedly directing both the FPI and the ISIS organisation in an unfolding coup d'etat against the elected President of Indonesia and several regional governors.

Meanwhile, US Government financial support for Philippine police forces accused of wide spread extrajudicial killings has increased over the last few months.

Does the role of powerful US interests in fostering destabilisation of governments in the Pacific using among other proxy tools as ISIS groups give credence to the oft-repeated observation that US policy often uses radical Islamist groups to further its own policy objectives. Is the Global War on Terror really a Global War of Terror directed in part by interests within or sympathetic to the institutions of US foreign policy? What are the implications for Syria and the Middle East if the Indonesian story proves true and links the US Government to the FPI and the ISIS group? Are US proxies about to be exposed as the largest backers of terrorism globally with verifiable facts to back such accusations from Indonesia. Is Ultramodern Warfare becoming indistinguishable from clandestine subversion and sabotage of foreign states which do not align with US interests?

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Cheers.
Rod Robertson.

Is all of that really surprising considering the history of US foreign policy since 1945?

Coups in other countries have been commonplace and the cases are very well documented and not even hidden or classified if you start researching the details. Guatemala, Iran, several attempted Coups in Syria, Chile – to name just a few cases, are good starting points to dig into history.

The most recent cases just fit into the pattern that has been established. Nothing new really.

Heh, I actually have a position with that company.

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RIR i'm sorry to agree with you with some of your considerations with an amazing crescendo..i have always suspected a role of powerful US interests in fostering destabilisation of nationalist governments using proxy tools among other and in this case the very ISIS terr organisation….
more than that , from the decisive support given to criminal Bosnian anti western state against neigbouring Serbia untill the alliance with other rogue states in the gulf

Please keep current partisan politics out of the discussion.

Consisting the topic, I'm not sure that can be done.

What makes this "interesting" is a direct line of culpability might be legally demonstrable from ISIS to the FPI militia to the mining company lawyer to the mining company Itself to the mining company directorship and finally through a controlling director to a sitting president! The recklessness and stupidity/arrogance is breath-taking as there is no plausible denial to blanket the office of the president.

This could make Iran-Contra look like nothing in comparison and could directly tie the US executive to ISIS! If that link could be publicly proved then other less clear links in the Middle East could be seen as far more plausible. Such a revelation could cause a paradigm-shift in the public consciousness that would force everyone to reconsider the War on Terror, proxy wars and the reasons behind many of the conflicts in this contemporary period of war, wars waged sub rosa by the US and the Coalition. Once again the public might become aware of the great Marine's warning that, "War is a Racket"! Such a parcel of rogues in a nation, as the song goes.

Rod Robertson.

@Rod I Robertson: "a direct line of culpability might be legally demonstrable from ISIS to the FPI militia to the mining company lawyer to the mining company Itself to the mining company directorship and finally through a controlling director to a sitting president!"

Direct? LOL. Au contraire, that's what most would call a long, thin and extremely indirect chain of "Ifs"! Almost Rachel Maddow or Maury Povich worthy.

And suddenly guilt by association for a President becomes a big thing for mainstream media.

Yet Obama and Lynne Stewart, the attorney to the blind sheikh (the one who tried to blow up the WTC), shared some of the same people in their respective circles.

To top it off he pardoned the $&@%, and then released the FLN domestic terrorist bombers, who happened to also have some old friends in common with Obama (and he had shared friends with Bill Ayers, another bomber, I might add)

Dan

And let's not forget the previous direct and indirect links between Obama and the man he said was just "some guy who lived in my neighborhood". Their paths crossed on many occasions and the worked together on many student organization issues:

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But the mainstream media didn't care about guilt by association when it came to Obama. Lol. And boy did that President have (and still does) some radical friends and "acquaintances".

Dan
PS. Mainstream also media didn't care about all the direct and indirect associations that Presidential candidate Bernie previously had with Nicaragua, Cuba and the Soviets, long before he became a senator or had any other reason to be reaching out to those enemies of the US. Or uranium and Hillary. Oh the list is endless. And constantly overlooked by mainstream network news.

Cacique Caribe:

You cite interesting parallels. Lynne Stewart, Oscar Lopez Rivera and Bill Ayres never killed anyone. The FPI militias and ISIS have killed tens of thousands. President Obama was associated with these three people either before or after the fact, while the events in Indonesia are unfolding now. Civil disobedience and openly fighting for freedom/national self-determination are one thing. Genocide in East Timor, Papua New Guinea and in the cities of Indonesia are many orders of magnitude above the degree your cited cases.

The links between the US executive are not indirect when one considers the direct involvement of the US Government in trying to openly intimidate the Indonesian Government from following its chosen path of "resource nationalism" which threatens US economic interests in the region. This second back-channel of pressure to stage a coup is part of that overall strategy to remove a democratically elected economic nationalist and replace him with a military junta with the blood of hundreds of thousands on their hands.

Taken in tandem with the open and official policies of intimidation and subversion by the US Government for the last 18 months in Indonesia and given the connections between certain leading organisers of the unfolding coup, including media and real estate developers who also have direct business ties to companies owned by the sitting president of the USA, the Indonesian case is a much stronger one. And when one adds an ISIS off-shoot into the tool box of the coup backers, that means big blow-back if a real connection can be proven. That then would refocus and alter the perception of US military policy globally since it has been often accused of using violent radical Islamists and authoritarian and violent paramilitary organisations as countervailing forces to economic nationalism emerging out of civil society and democracy since the mid 1950's.

Rod Robertson.

About some of the parallels I offered:

1) About the FALN, people did die (in explosions they set off in mainland US, and many ghastly "Machetero" murder cases were also linked to them in my home island of Puerto Rico) and more were going to die. Oscar himself, who was convicted of "use of force to commit robbery, interstate transportation of firearms and ammunition to aid in the commission of a felony"* was part of a core group of that armed revolutionary organization, and was caught while in the process of supplying and distributing his underlings. There was intent. And law enforcement intervention prevented the execution of many of their plans;
2) Ayers, his wife and his core group were also armed revolutionaries. A couple of his people did die in their makeshift bomb-making shop. A huge cache of weapons were found also, which they were preparing to distribute to foot soldiers as well. They issued a formal declaration of war and they admitted that they wanted an armed uprising, an all-out race war and the violent overthrow of the country. Some in his group went on to kill several cops for the BLA and to break comrades out of prisons; but, most importantly
3) What I'm getting at is that the "six degree of separation" treatment often shows that everyone is somehow associated with someone somewhere that did something unsavory, unethical and/or illegal and violent. The greater the separation the greater the margin of error.

With that aside, US national policies toward Indonesia and many other countries were already in place or planned before the current Administration.

In addition, as the CIA has demonstrated time and time again, it feels little need to be accountable to elected officials. Most recently they admitted to the hacking of computers of members of Congress during the previous Administration, for political reasons, both their business and personal, as well as those of some of the staffers. They started the illegal computer surveillance in 2012. There are other operations that take place without the knowledge and consent of the Foreign Intelligence Committees and other key bodies. The clandestine Taliban 5 trade was a good example of that. The CIA has essentially become a rogue Agency that even our own elected officials fear.

If we are to attribute guilt to one President for what the US intelligence community has done, then let's do so equally. But mainstream media has been very selective about which Presidents they immediately hold personally accountable for what their agencies and officials do, and which Presidents constantly get the benefit of the doubt.

I've said enough.

Dan
* More convictions than Al Capone.

Calcique is right about that "six degrees of seperation" thing. If you draw enough lines, you can link anyone to anyone.

I have been connected professionally to:
The government of France.
The government of Sweden.
The government of Israel… and the Palestinians.
The government of Romania.
The American Communist Party.
The Roman Catholic Church.
General Motors.

Think of the Conspiracy Theories one can draw! Use your imagination!

BenFromBrooklyn:

This six degrees of separation business is fine but there is video and photographic evidence of young Indonesian men swearing allegiance to a local ISIS off-shoot while this lawyer for the American-owned mining company presides with three other men over the meeting. This same lawyer is one of the leaders of the FPI milita movement which has used and is using thugs to intimidate and murder Indonesian protestors opposing the operations of this US mining company. The lawyer is under contract from the US mining company and the owner of the controlling interest in the mining company is a close advisor of a sitting US president. Is there film and photo evidence of your hand in subverting the legally elected governments in any of the state's you listed above? I doubt it and if there is I am sure you're wise enough not to confirm it publicly.

The importance of this case is it shows how the US and its proxies wages covert economic and political warfare in the contemporary world and seems to use radical Islamist terrorists as a tool in Indonesia and possibly in the Middle East, Eurasia and maybe even Europe too. If this case can be made, then accusations of similar US behaviour in other parts of the world become more credible and could warrant closer examination. This would shine more light on how US hybrid-war is waged in the modern world.

Rod Robertson.

How many degrees of separation are between the POTUS (or his associates) and those pesky Russkies? Congressional witch hunters would like to know.

28mm Fanatik:

Two degrees? Moose and Squirrel?

Cheers.
Rod Robertson