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pepemari47 Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2017 3:58 a.m. PST

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pepemari47 Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2017 3:58 a.m. PST

hello
I want to paint a Richmond rifle rangers, I and have no idea about color uniform
can anybody help me?
Thanks in advance

pepemari47 Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2017 3:58 a.m. PST

hello
I want to paint a Richmond rifle rangers, I and have no idea about color uniform
can anybody help me?
Thanks in advance

pepemari47 Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2017 3:58 a.m. PST

hello
I want to paint a Richmond rifle rangers, I and have no idea about color uniform
can anybody help me?
Thanks in advance

pepemari47 Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2017 3:58 a.m. PST

hello
I want to paint a Richmond rifle rangers, I and have no idea about color uniform
can anybody help me?
Thanks in advance

pepemari47 Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2017 3:58 a.m. PST

hello
I want to paint a Richmond rifle rangers, I and have no idea about color uniform
can anybody help me?
Thanks in advance

pepemari47 Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2017 3:58 a.m. PST

hello
I want to paint a Richmond rifle rangers, I and have no idea about color uniform
can anybody help me?
Thanks in advance

ZULUPAUL Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2017 4:13 a.m. PST

Is there an echo in here?

Chokidar17 Apr 2017 5:06 a.m. PST

in here, in here, in here….

historygamer17 Apr 2017 5:18 a.m. PST

He is really excited about painting this unit. I've never heard of them. Can you provide some more detail here? Year? Battle?

Royal Marine17 Apr 2017 6:50 a.m. PST

FLAG: link

Was this the 1st Virginia, George Washington's Regiment?

historygamer17 Apr 2017 7:10 a.m. PST

That wouldn't make any sense as Washington was not from the Richmond area, though Hanover is just outside of the city. Also, IIRC, the 1st VA has several iterations over the course of the war, so I think we need a little more detail from the OP.

GurKhan17 Apr 2017 10:51 a.m. PST

Mrs. Heard & Dora went with me to Museum. We rummaged it thoroughly. A very obliging gentleman obtained the keys & admitted us. It is not kept open. We unrolled all the old flags, & examined the dust covered relics until I was satisfied.— There is a Flag carried at the battle of Trenton & said to be presented to Washington by the ladies of T. —It was of white twilled silk, & painted on it is a wreath of red roses & green leaves & over the wreath, Independent Volunteers. I have some of these roses— There is a remnant of the Flag of Gen. Morgan's Regt, X1.VIRG. REGT of 1776. It is silk & so stained I cannot tell the original color, I have a piece of this. There is the Flag of the Richmond Rifle Rangers which was carried at the siege of Yorktown. The motto is "Nemo me impune [l]acessit." It is of white silk & well preserved.
There is another of white silk. The blue ribbons (probably) faded out but the red is bright yet. I have pieces of this. It drops to pieces when it is unrolled.—
The "Alexa. Independent Blues" is of plain white silk.

"Diary of Julia Wilbur, 1865" at PDF link

historygamer17 Apr 2017 11:10 a.m. PST

So based on that it is likely one of the many VA militia units at Yorktown (or more likely across the river at Gloucester). If so, civilian clothing, and while the title says "rifle" it was probably just that – a title, and not likely that they carried rifles at all.

Rallynow Supporting Member of TMP17 Apr 2017 3:53 p.m. PST

It's the bug.

historygamer18 Apr 2017 11:20 a.m. PST

I tried looking up references for this unit, but came up blank. I have one more place to look. I am still thinking this was a VA militia unit though.

historygamer18 Apr 2017 5:47 p.m. PST

According to Wright's "The Continental Army" as far as I can tell Richmond supplied troops to the 5th VA Regiment -
organized 28 Feb 1776 at Richmond County Courthouse (consolidated with the 3rd VA Regt in May 1779) – and the 15th VA Regt., organized 12 Feb 1777. The 15th was reorganized and re-designated 12 May 1779 as the 11th VA Regt – captured at Charleston 12 May 1780, disbanded 1 Jan 1781.

There is no mention of the Richmond Rifle Rangers.

The flag itself is referenced (along with the one above, though given what happened to the 11th VA the text may be wrong) – Richardson's "Standards and Colors of the American Revolution" – as belonging to the Masonic Museum in Alexandria, VA. The motto translates to "No One Attacks Me With Impunity" which is the national motto of Scotland.

There is no further information about this flag or unit. There does not appear to be any associated with Morgan or his rifles. My guess would be perhaps a militia unit, if the flag was carried at Yorktown.

pepemari47 Supporting Member of TMP19 Apr 2017 10:16 a.m. PST

Many thanks for your help

Early morning writer19 Apr 2017 10:42 p.m. PST

Could also be a 'local' company that was absorbed into one of the regiments. Not unusual for a regiment to form from existing companies, at least to some degree.

historygamer20 Apr 2017 4:16 a.m. PST

Many/most of the units in VA were formed exactly that way, according to Wright. I had to scan through the different VA regiments to see which ones were filled, in part, by units from Richmond. I found the two mentioned above.

The flag doesn't make a lot of sense for a regiment to carry it since no battalion/regiment was formed solely from soldiers from Richmond. And militia battalions were formed by county.

Supercilius Maximus20 Apr 2017 9:38 a.m. PST

I wonder if it's another War of 1812 (or even later) flag whose history has been a wee bit exaggerated? The name sounds more 19th than 18th Century.

historygamer21 Apr 2017 3:58 a.m. PST

Yeah, it kind of has a Civil War ring to it.

Major Bloodnok21 Apr 2017 6:06 p.m. PST

They may turn out to be a early – mid nineteenth century volunteer militia company.

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