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repaint Supporting Member of TMP11 Apr 2017 10:45 p.m. PST

I am wondering why the 28mm WWII is so confidential. Not many reviews, actually almost none, people just don't seem to use those figures.

However, they look like they have very interesting ranges in metal and plastic (8th army, Fallshirmjagers, French Foreign legion, Italians).

I'd like to buy some but their virtual absence on the gaming scene is strange. Please let me know if you have come across the 28mm WWII ranges (Perry mini, not Foundry).

thanks!

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP11 Apr 2017 10:45 p.m. PST

"The wild frontier commenced in 1607 with the arrival of the first permanent settlers and was declared ended by the Bureau of the Census in 1890. The war between the settlers and the Indians began in 1622 in Virginia and also ended in 1890 in South Dakota. The outcome of this war determined who would control the North American continent. It was played on a stage that was new to European peoples, and many of its dramatic events had not been seen before in history and would never be seen again. This was a first-time clash between 2 cultures. Robert Hughes, in Culture of Complaint, said, "Surprises crackle, like electric arcs, between the interfaces of culture." Surprises also crackle with atrocities. The war lasted 268 years, the longest in the history of our nation. The United States itself will not be 268 years old until the year 2044.

In The West: An Illustrated History, edited by Henry Steele Commager, an article by M. A. Jones pointed out that "the realities of frontier life have regularly given way to the requirements of myth." Myths cloud history and impair its classic function—to help us solve present-day problems. This accurate analogy has been drawn by Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr., in The Disuniting of America:

For history is to the nation rather as memory is to the individual. As an individual deprived of memory becomes disoriented and lost, not knowing where he has been or where he is going, so a nation denied a conception of its past will be disabled in dealing with its present and its future. The Indians agreed. There is an old Sioux saying—"A people without history is like wind upon the buffalo grass."…"

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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP11 Apr 2017 11:14 p.m. PST

Till tomorrow dear BUG.!!!!!


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Londonplod11 Apr 2017 11:37 p.m. PST

Perry are nice figures, the issue seems to be that they are a little smaller than most other figures, especially compared to Warlord.
If you are interested in gaming the Western desert then Perry is a good choice, it was for me anyway.

Green Tiger Supporting Member of TMP12 Apr 2017 2:51 a.m. PST

Perhaps people just think 28mm is a silly size for WW2 figures?

repaint Supporting Member of TMP12 Apr 2017 4:47 a.m. PST

thanks Londoplod, how "smaller" are they. Any pic you could share?

Grelber12 Apr 2017 4:48 a.m. PST

I have their L3 tank, and I'm quite pleased with it. I didn't notice that their tank crew (half people I didn't use, anyway) were not the same size as the BTD infantry it supports.

Grelber

idontbelieveit12 Apr 2017 5:04 a.m. PST

Beware Perry metals – they are so over-covered with casting flash that it's easier to clean and assemble a plastic figure than to clean up one of their metals.

Kevin C Supporting Member of TMP12 Apr 2017 6:05 a.m. PST

I think cowboys verses Nazis would make an interesting scenario -- almost as interesting as cowboys verses aliens.

Vigilant12 Apr 2017 6:40 a.m. PST

I don't recognise idontbelievit's experience of Perry metals. I have all their Vichy French figures and there was little or no flash on them, and the same goes for the Africa Kops metals that I've used to supplement the plastics. As for showing the love, there have been many recommendations for Perry figures on TMP, but some gamers have a general dislike of plastic figures, don't know why, which might explain a smaller number of posts.

uglyfatbloke12 Apr 2017 6:40 a.m. PST

Zombie cowboys presumably?

Londonplod12 Apr 2017 7:14 a.m. PST

PM me your email address and l will send you some images, there are a few on the web already.
Check out the Lead Adventure Forum, a member there called Captain Blood does amazing things with Perry figures.

Personal logo 28mm Fanatik Supporting Member of TMP12 Apr 2017 7:32 a.m. PST

Perhaps people just think 28mm is a silly size for WW2 figures?

Nice try, but 28mm WWII is extremely popular right now and had grown exponentially in the last 15 years or so. I remember when the only rule available was Easy Eight Enterprises' Battleground World War II and the only figures representing the scale are Jim Bland's chunky and "characterful" figures for BGWWII, 1st Corps and Wargames Foundry.

Now 28mm WWII has so many lines and manufacturers that we're spoiled for choice. The popular lines are Artizan, Warlord, Crusader and Black Tree. It's a tough market that's easy to get crowded out of.

scomac12 Apr 2017 8:28 a.m. PST

I think most gamers are not as interested in gaming the western desert. It seems an odd choice of theaters for a scale that most people will use for skirmish games.

But one nice thing about the Perrys is that they make whatever interests them. It is refreshing.

Fred Cartwright12 Apr 2017 8:41 a.m. PST

I don't recognise that description of Perry metal figures either. I have a lot of their figures, Crusades, Napoleonics and WW2. Never had problems with flash. Clean castings, good poses. WW2 are probably a bit slimmer than Warlord, but mix ok and of course mix fine with the WW2 figures they did for Foundry.

Frederick Supporting Member of TMP12 Apr 2017 9:45 a.m. PST

The Perry figs are a bit botique – i.e. the Italian figs are very nice but 28mm Italian Western Desert is not something a ton of people play

I have done a few and I must say that they are very nice figs

Personal logo Bobgnar Supporting Member of TMP12 Apr 2017 11:14 a.m. PST

I have some of their figures that are quite nice that I use for the very British Civil War. I'm waiting for them to come out with Italia bersaglieri running at the trail with helmets.

Fred Cartwright12 Apr 2017 12:32 p.m. PST

I think most gamers are not as interested in gaming the western desert. It seems an odd choice of theaters for a scale that most people will use for skirmish games.

It wasn't all sweeping tanks battles. Plenty of scope for Skirmish actions between small recce patrols.

repaint Supporting Member of TMP12 Apr 2017 2:57 p.m. PST

thanks all for the answers, I am interested in representing a Free French Foreign Legion unit for the period 1940-1943, leaning maybe more toward the earlier part of the campaign.

Their Legionnaire range is very tempting and I was wondering whether there was some caveat.

It seems the figures are slender and indeed the topic is not attracting many gamers but I am happy to paint this force. It looks fun with all the clunky toys on wheels and tracks.

PiersBrand12 Apr 2017 6:16 p.m. PST

All metal Perry figures I have had required some cleaning up flash and casting vents. Enough with some that it got a bit tedious.

repaint Supporting Member of TMP13 Apr 2017 12:01 a.m. PST

All metal Perry figures I have had required some cleaning up flash and casting vents. Enough with some that it got a bit tedious.

including the WWII figures?

Fred Cartwright13 Apr 2017 2:33 a.m. PST

It seems the figures are slender and indeed the topic is not attracting many gamers but I am happy to paint this force. It looks fun with all the clunky toys on wheels and tracks.

Just for info the Offensive Miniatures WW2 are also on the slender side for 28mm. They do lots of Desert stuff, including some LRDG vehicles

Fred Cartwright13 Apr 2017 2:42 a.m. PST

including the WWII figures?

I have 4 packs of Perry FJ in front of me now. A couple of casting vents per figure that need flicking off with a sharp knife, a couple of seconds per figure and that is it. Not an ounce of flash on any of the figures.

repaint Supporting Member of TMP13 Apr 2017 5:06 a.m. PST

thanks Fred. I am placing my order.

Personal logo Patrick R Supporting Member of TMP13 Apr 2017 8:39 a.m. PST

Let's see I got four boxes of Afrika Korps, Three boxes of 8th Army, one box each modified into Aussies, Kiwi's, Indians and Highlanders, plenty of guns, vehicles and most of the Italian and FJ range.

Lots of love I guess …

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