nnascati | 24 Mar 2017 11:41 a.m. PST |
What numbskull decided that creating multi -part metal figures was the way to go? Plastics can be frustrating, but at least once bonded, they will generally never come apart. I am in th eprocess of painintg two x four point SAGA armies for a regular customer. With several of th efigures, I had to glue hands holding weapons onto the figures. I drilled the recieving holes deeper, and used a combination of super glue and white glue. I've aready had to stop in mid-painting to re-attach hands. I can only warn my client about being sure all the partd are there befor ehe tosses th epacking. I use puffed rice ceral to pack, have done so for years. I think you can do no better to protect figures. I just don't get the appeal of having to glue metal to metal, or really what purpose it serves. Lokk at Cutting Edge Miniatures. This Bronze Age range has some beautiful castings in good poses, that are cast in a single piece. Why can't others follow suit? |
chuck05 | 24 Mar 2017 11:49 a.m. PST |
Have you tried assembling some of the figures for Infinity? The joins are too small to drill and pin. The only way Ive found was a tip I picked up off their forums. Put super glue on one piece and a small dot of green stuff on the other. It works very well. |
Hlaven | 24 Mar 2017 11:49 a.m. PST |
Why did you mix super glue with white glue? |
redmist1122 | 24 Mar 2017 11:56 a.m. PST |
Drill and pin is the way to go…but sounds like every figure has multiple parts…bizarre. Too much work for me. I'm ok with the one or maybe two items like OG25s winged hussars with a separate arm for the lance and separate wings. Good luck! P. |
nnascati | 24 Mar 2017 12:18 p.m. PST |
Hlaven, I've always used both to glue a difficult object. Having to glue a had in place is the real problem. |
WarWizard | 24 Mar 2017 12:22 p.m. PST |
I use super glue. But then I use green stuff to mortar any gap. If there is just slight gap it will come loose. At least this seems to work for me. |
Flashman14 | 24 Mar 2017 12:28 p.m. PST |
I can't line up pins on tiny parts like that. Even with a starter hole, I rip out a side or drill off center and misalign everything. |
steamingdave47 | 24 Mar 2017 1:06 p.m. PST |
I agree with OP. Multi- part metals are a pain in the proverbial. I understand why some manufacturers do it, it does enable detailing and undercuts and also a variation in pose. I have Empress ECW figures, the cavalry nearly drove me mad as the three face bars had to be glued, some had arms to glue on and then there were the scabbards. I acquired these figures for free because the original buyer nearly lost the will to live! I have to say the assembled and painted figures look great, but not that much better than my Bicorne and Perry figures. |
Jeff Ewing | 24 Mar 2017 1:27 p.m. PST |
What numbskull decided that creating multi -part metal figures was the way to go? One who wanted more dynamic poses than can be accommodated by mold? That said, I generally prefer to limit my metal figure assembly to heads and weapons. |
nnascati | 24 Mar 2017 1:36 p.m. PST |
I've seen plenty of dynamic poses in single piece castings. |
Doug MSC | 24 Mar 2017 2:04 p.m. PST |
Super glue gel works fine for me with metal upon metal. |
gisbygeo | 24 Mar 2017 7:07 p.m. PST |
The phrase 'a combination of super glue and white glue' explains why they fall apart. |
blacksoilbill | 25 Mar 2017 3:28 a.m. PST |
Yes, I think white glue is the problem. I use two part epoxy, which can be a pain while it's drying (takes a fe wminutes), but once it's dry it tends to keep things stuck. |
IUsedToBeSomeone | 25 Mar 2017 4:12 a.m. PST |
A small amount of white glue works as a superglue accelerant. I assume that is what the OP is using it for … Mike |
nnascati | 25 Mar 2017 6:42 a.m. PST |
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Chuckaroobob | 25 Mar 2017 8:12 a.m. PST |
I don't like multi part plastics either. One Piece Castings!!! |
Space Ghost | 25 Mar 2017 8:39 a.m. PST |
I feel the pain; Infinity figures are a PITA; but I have used a combo of super glue and green stuff with success. |
Delta Vee | 25 Mar 2017 8:41 a.m. PST |
it gets even worse, I once asked a sculptor why he`d multi parted a set he`d done for a steam powered company, and got the reply " I didn't" theyed been sculpted to cast as single piece castings, the purchaser has cut them up! this gave joints on the wrists and forearms that were a pig to try to glue. |
War Panda | 25 Mar 2017 11:45 a.m. PST |
Liquid superglue or gel? Gel is far superior in my experience. Combo of super and white glue neutralizes their effects and makes it frustratingly difficult to stick |
Henry Martini | 25 Mar 2017 12:51 p.m. PST |
Is an accelerant that weakens the bond and has you forever regluing everything really an effective timesaver? |
nnascati | 25 Mar 2017 1:04 p.m. PST |
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Doug MSC | 25 Mar 2017 2:07 p.m. PST |
I've been using superglue gel for years and it works well. Never lost a head or weapon unless dropped on a hard floor. Then it was just a glue job to get it back on. |
Ottoathome | 25 Mar 2017 7:10 p.m. PST |
It's your glues nnascai Both white glue and super glue are horrible for the task you want. White glue is no good at all and will only interfere with the super glue. Super-glue is almost as worthless as it does not penetrate and permeate the metal any more than white glue. The test of this is if you paint the figure and then glue on the weapon, the super glue can only bond with the paint, which it will pull right off the figure if you touch it. What you need to use with the difficult things you are talking bout is a 24 hour two part epoxy like Liquid Steel. Some of these come in mixes that dry in 5 minutes. They aren't as good as the liquid steel but. One thing you can do to help is to use a hot-melt glue gun. glue up and position the hand as you want it with the liquid steel epoxy in the joint. Then hit the hand with a little dab of hot melt. It will hold it in position till it dries, but beware, if you touch it, it will break off. You can when dry then peel off the hotmelt- and hope. For my own work I use solder, and often wire mandrels. I've bought many completed figures at conventions. When I get them home I line them up and slam the table real hard with my fists and watch the spears and standards fly off. Crazy Glue in all of them. I solder and wire and use the two part epoxy as a final swath to reinforce the joint. Solder though is tough. you have to get the hand melted a bit for the solder and the lead of the hand to mix and make a good joint. Otherwise you have just a surface joint again. |
Weasel | 26 Mar 2017 8:22 a.m. PST |
One of the benefits of smaller scales is that you can usually avoid multi piece figures :) |