Bismarck | 23 Mar 2017 2:40 p.m. PST |
Gentlemen, Over the years I have heard the venerable APC referred to as both. Anyone care to clarify which is the correct terminology? Thanks ahead for any help and the correct term for reference. Best of the dice to everyone. Sam |
John Treadaway | 23 Mar 2017 2:51 p.m. PST |
Isn't this a bit like when US speakers would say "sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue" whereas brits would probably say "one thousand six hundred Pennsylvania Ave". I'm guessing it's what you're used to. John T |
Mako11 | 23 Mar 2017 2:57 p.m. PST |
One-thirteen for me. Tracked beercan, or "death-box" might be more accurate. |
Onomarchos | 23 Mar 2017 4:11 p.m. PST |
20 years in the army, and I never heard it referred to as anything other than an M one one three. Mark |
pmwalt | 23 Mar 2017 6:09 p.m. PST |
I've heard both … but, I was in the Marines |
Saber6 | 23 Mar 2017 7:20 p.m. PST |
M one one three. We are taught to say each numeral alone. Makes for clearer radio transmission |
platypus01au | 23 Mar 2017 8:15 p.m. PST |
M one one three M E two six two Rule three oh three |
Mitochondria | 23 Mar 2017 8:20 p.m. PST |
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skinkmasterreturns | 23 Mar 2017 8:49 p.m. PST |
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Ferd45231 | 24 Mar 2017 6:41 a.m. PST |
one one three but in my unit most commonly ACAV. |
Legion 4 | 24 Mar 2017 7:40 a.m. PST |
Yep … M One One Three or just one one three … As many have said here. I served in 3 Mech Bns, '84-'90 all with M113s. And yes, those M113s with the ACAV turrets were usually with Armored Cav units. Were referred to as ACAVs. However, in the ROK the Mech units did have the ACAV turrets. But being Grunts we all still called them M One, One Threes … And many times we just referred to them as "Tracks" … |
brass1 | 24 Mar 2017 9:12 a.m. PST |
Admittedly, my military experience is somewhat antique but in the late 60s and early 70s we referred to them as M one thirteens. The cavalry guys I encountered called them "cars". LT |
etotheipi | 24 Mar 2017 9:14 a.m. PST |
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Weasel | 24 Mar 2017 10:03 a.m. PST |
I always thought it was One Thirteen but apparently that's incorrect. |
Bismarck | 24 Mar 2017 2:12 p.m. PST |
I started to ask in my original post, if it was a "generational" thing. My background too goes back to the Vietnam Era also with the Marines. Never rode in one, but remember mostly them called M one thirteen. Other than feet, our favored form of ground transportation were 6 bys or the occasional amtrac. Which is another one with no definite nomenclature. Most of the guys I game with, kids younger than 55 refer to them as M one one threes. Again, most of these veterans served in the army from mid 80s forward. Interesting feedback. Thanks guys, Sam |
Mako11 | 24 Mar 2017 2:28 p.m. PST |
So, does this mean the M60's are M-six-ohs, the M48s are M-four-eights, and the M551s are M-five-five-ones? If so, no wonder they keep reusing M-1s, M-2s, and M-3s, if so, along with other single digit number designations for so much stuff. |
jowady | 24 Mar 2017 10:29 p.m. PST |
This reminds me of when a student of mine gave a presentation on close air support in WW2 and he referred to Poppa 4-7 Deltas. I agree, old hands 70s and earlier would probably call them one thirteens. After that as a one one three. Having said that though the M577 for example was always the five seven seven. |
Mako11 | 25 Mar 2017 3:48 a.m. PST |
Well, I am from the Paleozoic era, so…… |
Legion 4 | 25 Mar 2017 8:41 a.m. PST |
No Mako … for whatever reasons … M60s and M48s are pronounced M60 and M48, etc., … don't know why ? It just is … Having said that though the M577 for example was always the five seven seven., Yep … again … don't know why ? I guess for one thing. Brevity is an important part of the military lexicon, etc. As well as radio procedures need to be brief and understandable plus accurate. And not violate OPSEC. Which as many may know that is always not the case. And even on the radio you may have code words for certain "things". Like may not say One one three, etc. But I too think using M-1, M-2 etc. is easier and quicker to use than too many letters and numbers. But again you may use code words for those, etc. E.g. like Tanks were referred to as Big Boys, Jets – Fast Movers, etc. Some Tankers we worked with called Infantrymen(us) – "Earth Pigs" …(?) It was used frequently when I was with a Mech Bn in the ROK. To say a vehicle was "Tango Uniform", using the phonetic alphabet. Which translated to "Ts Up" meaning broken down, etc. … Hey, I didn't start it but someone did and it became the "norm" ! |
jowady | 25 Mar 2017 9:51 a.m. PST |
I think it's just one of those things. In WW2 for example you had the Heinkel 1-1-1 (from the allies at least) and the Me 1-oh-9 (yes I know that it should be the Bf but that's not what the allies called it) but you had the FW 1-ninety and the FW Two Hundred. Why it happens I have no idea. |
Der Krieg Geist | 26 Mar 2017 9:38 a.m. PST |
When I was active duty army we either called them 1 1 3s or M 113s never M 1 1 3. |
SquireBev | 31 Mar 2017 2:04 a.m. PST |
It was always One-One-Three in Operation Flashpoint, and that's good enough for me. I've always assumed that for two-digit numbers you say the number, and for anything with three digits or more you say the digits. M Sixteen, M Sixty, F Fifteen, P Fifty-one, T Seventy-two F One-one-seven, M One-one-three, M Two-four-nine, |