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Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP15 Mar 2017 12:14 p.m. PST

Just started watching the first season on DVD, with a mixed response. I like the period efforts, and the varied politics, plus the fact that it's covering the Culper Ring, one of the little known yet significant elements of the American effort. And I can't wait to see the Turtle actually appear!

BUT…

The soap opera aspect of it all is often preposterous, and the descendants of Woodhull and Strong would have a right to be grossly offended by the presentation of their characters. An adulterous relationship? A sociopathic antagonist Brit who (apparently) can't die (*cough* Obadiah Hakeswill *cough*)? The commander of an entire regiment of rangers who goes hairing off on a vendetta against one low-ranking Continental officer who escaped a massacre? A Maasai warrior slave? Major Andre as some sort of intelligence genius? There's just too much overblown Hollywood crap here. And then every time some major historical event actually happens (Trenton, Princeton, even the hanging of Nathan Hale), we don't get to see ANY of it; it just gets skipped over, mentioned in a brief conversation, and then we get the absurd soap opera and crude (and, frankly, BORING) sexual encounters. And the spycraft, even when they attempt actual spycraft, is almost laughable.
I'm sticking with it for now, but I'm disappointed that no one in Hollywood trusts that the actual story of actual people in history would be interesting in and of itself.

Please tell me this gets better?

79thPA Supporting Member of TMP15 Mar 2017 12:44 p.m. PST

I gave up after a few episodes. And no, for some reason Hollywood never finds the actually story to be sufficient; it always needs to be enhanced.

KTravlos15 Mar 2017 1:02 p.m. PST

I love the series. It works well for me. Season 2 and Season 3 imho were better than season 1. All the things that irk you stay, but the story gets better, and you get to see some more of the historical events. Anyway not everyone's cup of tea, but a series that works well for me.

I do think they have cast a great Washington imho.

PzGeneral15 Mar 2017 1:56 p.m. PST

I agree completely about the actor who plays Washington. Love his portrayal! I like the show for what it is….consider it historicial fiction. Plus, it's the only show on right now about the AWI……

And my wife enjoys it too…which helps….

dBerczerk15 Mar 2017 2:18 p.m. PST

Where else on television today can you see mounted Continental dragoons firing pistols at the gallop, Queen's Rangers skirmishing and on horseback, Highland Grenadiers in bearskins, and General Washington's headquarters tent and mobile field office?

These details alone have made the series meaningful for me even if the story line can leave things to be desired.

Schogun15 Mar 2017 3:11 p.m. PST

My wife and I gave up without finishing season 1. My friends say that it got a lot better in seasons 2 and 3.

Don't know if I'll devote time to it again though.

Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP15 Mar 2017 3:23 p.m. PST

I agree on Washington. Very effective casting.

I'm going to stick with it, but my ire at the soap opera stuff is rising…

basileus6615 Mar 2017 3:38 p.m. PST

Tried to watch it. Couldn't, though. I stopped after episode 4

Mako1115 Mar 2017 4:42 p.m. PST

I've actually enjoyed it.

SBminisguy15 Mar 2017 4:52 p.m. PST

…if only they'd cast Bruce Campbell in there someplace, after all he has "historical" action TV experience from the Jack of All Trades show!

Ironwolf15 Mar 2017 7:46 p.m. PST

agree with you but season 2 and 3 are either better or I conditioned myself into ignoring the parts I didn't like. hahahaah

WarWizard16 Mar 2017 3:05 a.m. PST

I gave up n Season 1 also. I may have to take a look again if 2 and 3 are better.

Supercilius Maximus16 Mar 2017 4:06 a.m. PST

Please tell me this gets better?

OK, but don't stand right in front of my nose……

Mikasa16 Mar 2017 5:40 a.m. PST

I've really enjoyed it. It did take some time to find its feet but by the end of series one is going great guns. Looking forward to series 4 (the last)

HUBCommish16 Mar 2017 8:16 a.m. PST

I worked as a background actor on the show for season 1, episodes 2 through 5 (or 6?). Watched it until I wasn't in the episodes anymore. After that it wasn't good enough to keep me watching. The most interesting aspect of the show for me was viewing the final results after all the editing. It's incredible how 8 hours on set turns into 1 minute of footage!

Observations:

All of the principals were pretty cool except for Angus Macfadyen, who didn't seem to want to be there and would disappear immediately after each scene.

Kevin McNally was a laugh riot! Always joking around.

Working with Samuel Roukin was a great experience. He gave me and another guy playing American soldiers great advice for a scene when we had to escort him to a wagon and get him up into it while guarding him.

We got to smoke clay pipes in a tavern scene, and the "burning the Pope in effigy" bonfire scene.

That bonfire scene was terrible. Below freezing temperatures, standing around in mud puddles wearing short leather shoes, stockings, and jackets, for 8 hours. No bathrooms other than sneaking off behind a barn to take a leak between takes. A bunch of extras quit after that. Some older folks just walked off the set. The production did buy us all like 30 pizzas at the end though, and added warming tents on later cold days.

Canvas gaiters are extremely comfortable and warm. Especially over wool stockings.

Hessian uniforms look awesome, and make you feel awesome. Especially when you have a giant fake mustache and those leather-wrapped dreads attached to your wig. And that cool miter!

Learning Hessian marching drill from reenactors was interesting but often confusing as they insisted on bellowing German commands at us.

It is very difficult, as a civilian, to learn to march in step with 30 other guys. The officer calling cadence really helped. "Links! Links! Links recht links!" I felt a sense of accomplishment when we could do a reasonable wheel. Never fully got down the musket drill though. Luckily I was in the back row!

Muskets are heavy! And when marching with them on your shoulder, they easily knock your tricorn off your head if you don't tilt it just so.

It's fun to throw cabbage at people on stage!

If you wander into the production headquarters in a dress shirt nobody will question you if you walk up to the union-only food spread and fill up your plate with mutton and some kind of fancy fish.

Every day on set you pray to be one of the few who are temporary SAG. The difference is $8 USD/hr vs something like $30 USD an hour.

The assistant directors were the heroes of the show. They had to know just when to send which extras past the camera at the exact time. They'd be crouching around, motioning to us. Impressive coordination especially when a shot was being filmed with a moving camera.

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boy wundyr x16 Mar 2017 11:04 a.m. PST

Very cool behind the scenes stories Commmish!

dBerczerk16 Mar 2017 3:27 p.m. PST

Very interesting commentary. Angus Macfayden's performance was always my favorite -- perhaps a temperamental artist.

For all its faults, I'm glad AMC took the chance and produced the series.

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