"List of top non-collectible mini games out" Topic

This is ICV2's results looking at sales in Fall of 2016.

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Seems like that horrible Age of Sigmar game that is doing horribly based on a survey by one gamer of a small number of retail stores in the Pierce, WA area might be doing pretty well after all, there being only three other games beating it in terms of sales.

Warhammer fell off the list in 2013 for the first time I believe. That would indicate that with growing AoS sales, and AoS showing up on this list, GW made a very good decision replacing WHFB with AoS. Despite the above mentioned extensive study of <5 stores.

You, um, are aware that GW isn't actually your company, right?

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Is there that much serious competition for a list like that? GW and Privateer press just about dwarf every other company in the market of "Non collectible miniature games". Even someone like Warlord or Mantic are small fry in comparison and most gaming companies are little better than cottage industries. So basically we have a list that tells us, the pretty obvious point, that the two biggest wargames companies in the world sell the most games to their bigger customer base…. shocker

"You, um, are aware that GW isn't actually your company, right?"

Are you aware that they are a public company and are partially owned by a lot of individuals?

I guess not.

Prince Rupert of the Rhine, you might be shocked to know that WHFB was not on that list for the last few years.

The news, as I would think was obvious, is that AoS sales are back to the point where WHFB was soon after 8th edition came out. So the game was not a mistake and, instead, revitalized interest in GW's fantasy range.

Always read the fine print: "The charts are based on interviews with retailers, distributors, and manufacturers." Not based on actual company sales numbers.

I do know that X-Wing dominates sales of all miniature games, and board game sales. It's crazy how popular and successful the game is. 40k is way behind in 2nd place. Ironically many GW players also have large X-Wing collections.

Thing is Fantasy Flight is not small fly and their parent company Asmodee is killing GW in both Revenue and Profits.

So Games Workshop, with its limited profits and revenues compared to Asmodee, is capable of producing two games on the top 5 list and Fantasy Flight only has one? Games Workshop is really kicking ass taking it to the big boys like that, I guess.

Mayflies. Perform a little thought experiment. If we time warp a kid out of the 1983 game shop with his WHFB army and drop him next to an AoS table, is he ready to go? Not only are the rules wrong, and his basing wrong, most of his troops are "no longer supported." GW has not "revitalized" its game: it's replaced it.
The situation over at WH40K is only somewhat better. The kid's Squats, Ogryns, Ratlings and Harlequins are gone, but some of his armies can be salvaged with new troop types and weapons.

Of course, if he bought any other franchise SF or fantasy game of the period, he'd be completely wiped out.

The good news is that his TSATF armies are just fine. His Empire and NB troops work with Shako II, the Johnny Reb armies now also work for ADF, and the WWII stuff is just fine. Regretably, he may have to play F&F with his 15mm OTR, but (marginally) worse things happen.

If you really like Hordes, Warmachine or the Star Wars game, grab all the toys you're ever going to want now, because in five years, you'll be an antique collector.

Point of order, GW has rules for most of the figures it's ever made for fantasy available for free on it's website. Also, all of the examples you gave for 40k are still in the rules or are the squats and easily proxiable.

Could we please stop with the non-sense that GW hates everything you love and kicks puppies for fun?

Could you instead turn your hate and disdain to the hundreds of corporations that deserve it instead? Make the world a better place instead of being endlessly miserable bastards?

I'd rather they turn their disdain towards actual criminals, gangs, terrorists and the like than waste it on any corporation, but otherwise, I concur with the sentiment.

Game companies aren't evil just because they don't make a game you like (or no longer do) or charge what the market may bear for their products. You may not like it, or may prefer something else, or wish you could afford it (hint: get a better job, or make yourself more valuable in the marketplace), but your ire is pointless and shallow, and utterly misplaced. It is sufficient to merely buy something else, or not buy at all.

Oh, and that kid from 1983 is no longer a kid, but an adult in his late forties, presumably capable of buying the new game, if he so desires, and if not, playing the same rules he has retained along with those treasured toys of his childhood. Or he's really in need of better budget priorities. The kid of today will simply purchase what is available today; he is unlikely to feel any nostalgia for the games of thirty years ago, any more than he holds nostalgia for hula hoops.

"Mayflies. Perform a little thought experiment. If we time warp a kid out of the 1983 game shop with his WHFB army and drop him next to an AoS table, is he ready to go? Not only are the rules wrong, and his basing wrong, most of his troops are "no longer supported." GW has not "revitalized" its game: it's replaced it.
The situation over at WH40K is only somewhat better. The kid's Squats, Ogryns, Ratlings and Harlequins are gone, but some of his armies can be salvaged with new troop types and weapons."

This is almost completely incorrect in every detail.

If he popped in from 1983 he could play all of his models in AoS. The basing is not wrong, I base many of my figures for AoS on square bases still.

So all three points in the first paragraph of your little rant are completely false and demonstrate your ignorance about the game.

The second paragraphs displays and almost willful ignorance of GW's current ranges. Did you know that Ronald Reagan isn't the US president anymore?

And as far as historicals go, just look at all the threads that pop up on here about rebasing figures for the newest set of rules and if he really did show up with an army of figures for TSATF, say Zulus, from 1983, the figures would be so small compared to the figures of his opponent that the two armies would look like different scales on the tabletop, something that might be acceptable if they were orcs and humans, after all how big is an orc actually anyway, but not so much with Zulus and British.

Pictors,that was a sneer. When I do a rant, you'll be able to see the difference.

Most of my information on the current state of affairs is from my son, who started on GW almost 30 years ago,and still has a stack of them taking up space in my garage. (And he won't sell me the Squats,even though he hasn't had them in a game for 15 years. Fatherhood doesn't have as many perks as you'd think.)

And I am not anti-GW. I have a fair number of their figures in my armies, and would have more if they still sold certain lines.

I am, however, deeply suspicious of franchise miniature systems--copyrighted rules which are only supposed to be used with copyrighted figures. First, the lifespan of these things is, on average,terribly short. For Every WH40K, there must be at least 20 Crimson Skies. Hence my advice to buy plenty of the stuff you enjoy NOW. 15mm Prussian Landwehr will still be available in two years. Starship Trooper figures--or Eureka teddy bears--not so much. (I got burned on that one myself. Getting the last 50 figures will cst me a mint--if I can do it.)

But also the incentives don't match up. Richard Brooks, are you the Richard Brooks who wrote "As Stubble t Our Swords" in MW or WI? Nice system. But since it was work for hire, you have no incentive to produce As Stubble to Our Swords II to extend the copyright, refuse to sell the original, and invent two or three new types of ECW troops only available from you so that everyone who wants to play the game competitively has to update their armies with more of your figures. A franchise system has every incentive to do just those things. I don't blame them for doing it, but I try not to place myself at their mercy, either. Why should I?

And considering my recent options in US politics, Reagan still being President sounds better all the time.
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Well maybe you shouldn't sneer at things that you don't really know about.

AoS is doing better sales-wise than a new edition of WHFB would have if GW stayed the course with the sinking ship.

Its a product, either buy it or don't. But there is no need to make up lies about it.

Basing doesn't matter in AoS since there is no actual rule concerning basing. By the core rules, all measurements are taken from theminiature itself, and you can overlap enemy bases when moving. However a pretty much universal house rule for AoS (used by GW as well) is that measurements are taken from the bases. Nobody has said that square bases are against the rules as far as I know.

Ogryns, Ratlings, and Harlequins are in 40k currently.

So Games Workshop, with its limited profits and revenues compared to Asmodee, is capable of producing two games on the top 5 list and Fantasy Flight only has one?

Yeah but what are the next five? Because I would bet that these just might be in there.

Plus soon they would have this.

The key thing is which company is making more in profit?