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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP28 Feb 2017 9:09 p.m. PST

"…The best overview of the state of the German military is provided once a year in a report submitted by Armed Forces Commissioner Hans-Peter Bartels. As an SPD member of parliament for many years, Bartels is a credible voice from the perspective of the Social Democrats. And the image that he paints of the Bundeswehr is dark indeed.

One year ago, he described how the Saxony-based 371st tank battalion, prior to taking on its role as "spearhead" of the NATO Response Force, had to borrow 15,000 pieces of equipment from 56 other German military units. In another example, the 345th artillery training battalion, based just west of Frankfurt, was officially supposed to have 24 armored artillery vehicles at its disposal. In reality, though, it had just seven, of which six were on standby for NATO and could not be used. And the seventh was in reserve for the six on standby. Troops reported to Bartels that they hadn't been able to carry out training exercises at the site for the last three years.

There is an endless list of such examples: A mountain infantry unit had only 96 pairs of night-vision goggles available instead of the 522 it had been allotted — of which 76 had to be loaned out to other units. Which meant they only had 20, of which 17 were damaged…."
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Supercilius Maximus Supporting Member of TMP01 Mar 2017 12:54 a.m. PST

One of the great talents of the British Army, born of many years of sub-standard, inadequate, or sparse equipment, was developing the ability to "bodge" successfully. Perhaps we should be teaching this to the Germans before we finally leave in 2020.

Andy P Inactive Member01 Mar 2017 5:58 a.m. PST

Make do and mend!

Gaz004501 Mar 2017 6:36 a.m. PST

Bodge tape and hessian…….silver paper and paint…and of course scrounging!

Pan Marek Supporting Member of TMP01 Mar 2017 8:32 a.m. PST

…the article is merely running interference for Trump's anti-NATO nonsense. Brought to you by The National Review.
The people who sold you the Iraq war.

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP01 Mar 2017 10:42 a.m. PST



cosmicbank01 Mar 2017 11:24 a.m. PST

Germany having a Modern Army that can go outside of it borders never goes bad for anyone and as we have seen things change with an election or two.

Tgunner01 Mar 2017 2:48 p.m. PST

Ummmm… the article is quoting a GERMAN report on their own military and its current status. That's a very ugly picture.

Bangorstu Inactive Member02 Mar 2017 3:41 a.m. PST

The article itself is originally from Der Spiegel.

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