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Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP22 Feb 2017 10:06 p.m. PST

"Germany is to increase the size of its armed forces amid growing concerns over the security of Europe.

Troop numbers in the Bundeswehr will be raised to almost 200,000 over the next seven years, under new plans announced on Wednesday.

The move comes days after Mike Pence, the US vice-president, called on Nato's European members to increase military spending…"


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darthfozzywig Supporting Member of TMP22 Feb 2017 10:17 p.m. PST
foxweasel23 Feb 2017 3:08 a.m. PST

Now's the time for the rest of Europe to up its troop numbers. Call me cynical, but with Britain leaving the EU and the likely collapse of it anyway, how else is Germany going to maintain its dominance of mainland Europe?

Sobieski Inactive Member23 Feb 2017 4:53 a.m. PST

Third time lucky….

Jason O Mahony23 Feb 2017 6:46 a.m. PST

Fourth time…they nearly had it wrapped up with the EU.

Bangorstu Inactive Member23 Feb 2017 6:48 a.m. PST

Technically speaking that's total armed forces up to 198k, not just the army.

But good news all the same.

VonTed23 Feb 2017 6:49 a.m. PST

That a marder in the background? That thing is HUGE.

bsrlee23 Feb 2017 7:04 a.m. PST

Von Ted, Its something new, Marders have tracks not wheels, also the main turret looks wrong- too high – and you can't see the rear remote MG mount.

Fatman Inactive Member23 Feb 2017 7:34 a.m. PST

I believe its called a Boxer a German/Dutch project.


zoneofcontrol23 Feb 2017 7:34 a.m. PST

"Technically speaking that's total armed forces up to 198k,…"

198k? is that an upgrade of the 98k WWII rifle?!?

Gaz004523 Feb 2017 8:13 a.m. PST

At least they'll be able to reform their 'Mohammedanische Legion'..if they can drum up volunteers.

TGerritsen23 Feb 2017 9:17 a.m. PST

Yep, its a Boxer. It's a nice vehicle, but it sure looks big in that picture. link

Tango01 Supporting Member of TMP23 Feb 2017 10:00 a.m. PST



Personal logo Weasel Supporting Member of TMP23 Feb 2017 10:21 a.m. PST

Did we forget to tell them that Putin is cool now?

GreenLeader23 Feb 2017 11:12 a.m. PST

As others have pointed out, very poor reporting from the Telegraph (which really should know better) to equate the size of the army to the total number of service personnel. I read the article yesterday and spotted the mistake immediately if I can see it at a glance, how did it make it past the various sub-editors and editors? Is the average Briton (including the average defence correspondent) now so far removed from the realities of the military that they really have no clue?

foxweasel23 Feb 2017 11:23 a.m. PST

Not really that far removed, the majority of people (including most of the troops in my unit) think Bundeswehr is army and Luftwaffe is air force, they'd never heard of Heer.

47Ronin23 Feb 2017 12:03 p.m. PST

Very funny, darthfozzywig.

I haven't watched the movie in years, but I remember the first time I saw it on TV.

Thanks for the memories.

thorr666 Inactive Member23 Feb 2017 2:25 p.m. PST

Am I the only one who read this and first thought was 'this doesn't end well'?

foxweasel23 Feb 2017 2:28 p.m. PST

No, you're not.

basileus66 Inactive Member23 Feb 2017 11:23 p.m. PST

Call me cynical, but with Britain leaving the EU

You are aware that the EU is not, and never has been, a military alliance, aren't you? In other words, UK leaving the EU won't affect her military commitments… not until she decides to leave NATO too, of course; which I wouldn't find surprising given the isolationism that is pervading the World, lately.

Supercilius Maximus Supporting Member of TMP23 Feb 2017 11:42 p.m. PST

Unfortunately, basileus, the EU has only itself to blame for this misconception, having not only claimed credit for non-EU institutions (including UEFA – soccer, the ECHR – international court, and the Eurovision song contest – which includes Israel and Australia), but also been widely credited by its supporters for "keeping the peace in Europe since 1945" (despite having only been founded in 1958 – or 1993 if we're being pedantic – and having proved completely and utterly useless when confronted with the collapse of Yugoslavia).

foxweasel24 Feb 2017 12:52 a.m. PST

Basileus, as I've been in the British military for 29 years I'm quite aware of our commitments and alliances. What I said was that with Britain leaving the EU (and the likely breakdown) how will Germany continue to try and dominate Europe.

foxweasel24 Feb 2017 3:03 a.m. PST

In other words, if it can't do it economically, it will do it militarily.

Tgunner24 Feb 2017 7:40 p.m. PST

Technically speaking that's total armed forces up to 198k, not just the army.

Actually that's very depressing. All services with less than 170K and they want seven years to build up to 198K. The Germans are really serious about this apparently…

The Boxer is pretty cool though. It's just a bit bigger than the Bradley, so I have to wonder what makes it look so huge in the picture. Maybe it's the camera adding weight???


Mike Target27 Feb 2017 8:40 a.m. PST

"so I have to wonder what makes it look so huge in the picture. Maybe it's the camera adding weight???"

Probably something to do with the fact the chaps in front are standing in a slight ditch, and the Boxer is parked on a slope…

Martin from Canada28 Feb 2017 9:21 a.m. PST

It's not Tyrion Lannister's platoon?

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