"28mm Polish Artillery Limbers?" Topic

Need some for my Murawski Poles.

I think I've heard that Perry Dutch Limber kits might be suitable? Any other ideas?

Thanks!

Prussian and Austrian – as their guns as well.
Also in case – Gribeauval equipment.

I would opt for Prussian limbers and guns and paint them in the traditional blue Prussian colours.

Thanks, what about uniforms of the drivers?

Mark, please refer to my uniform guide. I'd use – until we make them – Perry Dutch limbers. The uniform is almost exactly the same but they are in covered shakos rather than czapkas. This is what I used myself. The Perry Dutch teams are French and the Polish equipment was painted to match.
If you need more info drop me an email.

why would you use Dutch limbers – my reference

Morawski and Nieuwazny – in their massive volume about Polish artillery ( I am sure you have it)

In 1807 the Poles had to buy Prussian guns (captured by the French – but still had to pay them off)

In 1809 – the Polse captured 62 Austrian guns – also taking into service

French equipment was rare .

Also the Poles obtained from Mainz 34 Prussian 3 pdr guns und guns carriages for the foot artillery – for more see page 218 and 219 ob that above mentiones work

Cheers, it's the uniforms of drivers I'm more concerned about than the limber itself, but I could swap the Dutch limbers for Austrian ones I guess. My guns are the mix of Austrian and French.

seemingly the limber teams pulling the guns were uniformed as the artillery gunners – photos in due course

ok here the photos, two form the battle of Razyn 1809, Polish Horse artillery with Prussian guns and equipment

Horse artillery limber team with rare French equipment

foot artillery with rare French equipment

maybe also of interest

Cheers!

Hmm there seems to be a confusing array of uniforms on the Histofig plate?? Blue uniforms in 1813?? And what is the grey one?

there was a difference in those train drivers of artillery guns itself and seemingly of other train.
Other traim had a different uniform, grey or also grey with yellow facings – in case you need more information on those let me know.
In case there is a real specialist about Polish Army – maybe we could obtain better and in depth information why the artillery gun drivers resembled more or less the gunners themselves

Ok thanks for all the info.

Those battle painting are superb.

I have little experience of anything pre 1815, but long thought Polish HA would have been a superb project. Even considered the Murawski figures, but too much work needed to correct them. Might yet go for Front Rank…..

Where did the pictures come from?????

they are form a painting about the battle of Raszyn 1809 by Suchodolski

good article about this battle

link

The Duchy of Warsaw artillery arm did not completely wear the same uniform during its existence from 1807-1813/1814.

Horse artillery originally wore lancer-style uniforms together with the Tsapka until 1810. It then changed to a chasseur a cheval-style of uniform, always in dark green. Collars and cuffs were black with red piping.

Trumpeters wore white with black facings and red trousers with a yellow-piped black stripe. They and the officers wore the colpack, trumpeters in white, officers black.

After 1810 enlisted men wore the shako.

Foot artillery also wore green faced black, but with shakos and an infantry-style uniform.

The Polish artillery arm also had a company of artificers, a pontoon company, and an artillery train battalion. Train troops wore the shakp, a sky blue coat with yellow piping and had yellow braid along the outside seam of the trousers.

The Duchy of Warsaw artillery arm did not completely wear the same uniform during its existence from 1807-1813/1814.

Horse artillery originally wore lancer-style uniforms together with the Tsapka until 1810. It then changed to a chasseur a cheval-style of uniform, always in dark green. Collars and cuffs were black with red piping.

Trumpeters wore white with black facings and red trousers with a yellow-piped black stripe. They and the officers wore the colpack, trumpeters in white, officers black.

After 1810 enlisted men wore the shako.

Foot artillery also wore green faced black, but with shakos and an infantry-style uniform.

The Polish artillery arm also had a company of artificers, a pontoon company, and an artillery train battalion. Train troops wore the shako, a sky blue coat with yellow piping and had yellow braid along the outside seam of the trousers.

I must again say that this is unit I had long thought to model and the illustrations have proved inspiring. Brechtel198 shows how complicated it can be to pronounce on uniform of any unit in this era. Fascinating thread this has proved.

I do love the HA Poles from Murawski and would rarely quibble over trivia. But they do need much converting. Swords, Giberne, overalls without gaiters etc to look like mounted gunners

Cheers for the extra info!