"Polish-Soviet War: Battle of Warsaw" Topic
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Tango01 | 15 Feb 2017 11:26 a.m. PST |
"One of the most easily overlooked, yet momentous short wars of the 20th century was the swift-moving clash between the post-World War I Polish Republic and Russia's brand-new Bolshevik regime of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin. Reaching a climax during the summer of 1920, the Russo-Polish War is often regarded as the final episode of the Russian Civil War. In fact, it was much more — at once a reflection of the age-old enmity between two Slavic neighbors and a Marxist crusade bent on varying the torch of revolution into the heart of Europe. The campaign featured a remarkable cast of characters on both sides and mixed ferocious cavalry charges with early blitzkrieg tactics in quest of exceptional objectives. The roots of the war ran deep. For a century and a quarter, the once-formidable Polish nation was a political nonentity, having been dismembered by Prussia, Austria and Russia in the infamous partitions of 1772, 1793 and 1795. Three national insurrections had failed to dislodge the occupying powers; severe Germanization and Russification efforts, aimed at the destruction of the Polish language and culture, were imposed upon the population during the 19th century. Although such campaigns had little effect, by the turn of the century only the most optimistic Polish patriots could still dream of independence. Yet World War I provided exactly the right set of circumstances for the Poles. On November 6, 1916, Austria-Hungary and Germany, in a desperate bid to ensure the loyalty of their Polish populations, jointly agreed to the formation of a semi-autonomous ‘Kingdom of Poland.' In Paris, France, Polish spokesmen beat the ears of Allied statesmen on behalf of an independent Poland, but none of the Western powers cared to antagonize their imperial Russian ally, which was opposed to such a move. In 1917, however, Russia had dropped into a violent vortex of chaos and revolution. Partly in consequence to that development, the Fourteen Points for peace drafted by United States President Woodrow Wilson included the creation of an independent Poland and its recognition as ‘an allied belligerent nation' as of June 3, 1918. On October 7, 1918, with the Central Powers clearly on the brink of defeat, the Regency Council in Warsaw declared Polish independence. After the guns of war fell silent on November 11, the three torn pieces of the Polish nation were triumphantly reunited…" Main page link Amicalement Armand |
Bobgnar | 15 Feb 2017 2:03 p.m. PST |
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Tango01 | 16 Feb 2017 11:02 a.m. PST |
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62bravo | 17 Feb 2017 3:27 p.m. PST |
The war between Poland and Bolshevik Russia was a conflict between two different nations and has nothing to do with the Russian Civil War. Referring to this as a phase of the RCW is simply good old Soviet propaganda, wishing to cover up the fact that they lost this war by describing it as part of the RCW, which they won. The conflict is incredibly interesting with many unique wargaming scenario situations. The movie "Battle of Warsaw" is interesting to watch (once), if only for the uniforms, however, as a true representation of the conflict, is, unfortunately, total crap. The film was completely lambasted in Poland for its historical inaccuracies; I have to agree with their assessment as the movie is not very good at all. Studio Siberia does an excellent line of miniatures for this period. Michael Medin, the owner, is extremely knowledgeable (he also calls into question the inaccuracies of the Bolshevik gear in the "Battle of Warsaw") and eagerly helps answer questions posed. His service is outstanding and I cannot recommend his figures or service highly enough. |
Tango01 | 17 Feb 2017 10:18 p.m. PST |
Thanks!. Amicalement Armand
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Cuprum | 24 Feb 2017 8:10 p.m. PST |
Hi guys. 62bravo – thank you for a nice recall of my work. I think that the Polish-Bolshevik war looks in different ways from the Polish and the Russian side. Poles battled then for the reconstruction of their country, and the waged war (including aggressive) with all its neighbors – Germans, Ukrainians, Lithuanians and other … Poland wanted to the revival within the borders of 1772 – which would have extended its territory "from the sea to the sea "and included many different nations. The Bolsheviks are in a different situation. They regarded the invasion of Poles in Ukraine and Belarus as an attack on the allied Soviet republics (each new republic was then nationalist and Soviet government, which, of course, fought among themselves). Given the incursion into Russia a large number of various foreign troops (interventionists and other), the Bolsheviks and the majority of of the Russian population is perceived as the next stage of aggression against his country. This, incidentally, was the reason for joining the Red Army a large number of former tsarist officers who retained before it neutrality in the civil war. Of course, the Bolsheviks hoped to bring their ideas to Poland on the sabers Budyonny cavalry, but the main motive for the perception of this war in Russia is still a reflection of Polish aggression (among others) and the continuation of the Civil War. The war itself is extremely interesting from the point of view of wargame. Many participants (Poles, red and white Russian, Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Belarusians). On the scale and the participation of cavalry war comparable to the Napoleonic Wars, but with the wide participation of aircraft, tanks, armored trains … Too bad about her little known in the West (and in Russia too). Sorry for the bad English. |
62bravo | 25 Feb 2017 9:52 p.m. PST |
Your English is far better than our Russian. Your insights are always welcome Michael but you are incorrect that the Polish-Bolshevik was was a continuation of the Russian Civil War. The Poles were not trying to overthrow the Bolshevik government like the Whites. You, yourself, state other reasons for the war. This was a war between two sovereign nations and completely unrelated to the RCW. |
Cuprum | 16 Jun 2017 2:43 a.m. PST |
Oh, I missed your answer))) If it's not too late, I'll answer. Why do you think the unrecognized government of the Bolsheviks – representing the interests of a sovereign Russian state? Rather, then, it is necessary to consider the representatives of Russia Admiral KolchakThen it is necessary to consider the government of Admiral Kolchak as representatives of Russia, which, albeit de facto, was recognized by allies and many other states in that capacity .. So the Poles, in fact, fought with one of the participants in the civil war in Russia, but not with the Russian state. This is confirmed by the fact of the formation in Poland of the Third Russian Army, designed to fight the Bolsheviks on the Polish front. |
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