"The Men of No Popery: the Origins of the Orange Order" Topic
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Tango01 | 13 Feb 2017 11:51 a.m. PST |
"As the television documentaries, radio programmes and newspaper features marking the bicentennary of the French revolution rolled on through 1989, no one can have been left in any doubt where the pundits stood. The revolution is no longer considered to have been a good thing. According to current orthodoxies the costs of the Terror outweighed the benefits of the Rights of Man and Citizen (which would, in any event, have been achieved without the bloodshed). These views are very different from those enshrined in the ‘Great Tradition' of historiography which celebrated the revolution for its contribution not only to the progress of French civilisation but to the world One consequence of the partial eclipse of the ‘Great Tradition' is the increasingly fashionable study of counter-revolution. A similar trajectory is traceable in English historiography. Over twenty-five years ago E.P. Thompson added a postscript to the paperback edition of his classic The Making of the English Working Class in which he answered the book's many critics. Rebutting his detractors with characteristic gusto, he nonetheless accepted the objection that he had paid insufficient attention to ‘the flag-saluting, foreigner-hating, peer-respecting' side of the plebeian mind. Popular xenophobia, deference and loyalism, Thompson conceded, were too little examined and less understood. That was in 1968. Today the study of militant loyalism and ‘vulgar conservativism' in the 1790s is a booming cottage industry. Thompson's radical reformers have been overshadowed by Linda Colley's flag-saluting Britons. Irish historians have not followed English and French trends. The proceedings of two major conferences, held in 1989 and 1991, to mark the bicentennaries of the impact of the French revolution on Ireland and the foundation of the Society of United Irishmen, have now been published, and undoubtedly the two hundredth anniversary of the 1798 rebellion will occasion further gatherings and volumes. The foundation of the Orange Order in September 1795 has not attracted the same level of scholarly attention. This may be explained by the sheer scale of the radical movement. The United Irishmen mounted a more formidable challenge to the government than either its English or Scottish counterparts, while inversely Irish popular loyalism, mobilised by the Orange Societies, never achieved the nation-wide support enjoyed by the British ‘church and king' associations. Yet the Orange Order survives to this day, it played a prominent and controversial role in the Irish counter-revolution and it offers a fascinating example of the dynamics of popular politicisation in the late eighteenth century…" Main page link
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Supercilius Maximus | 13 Feb 2017 7:30 p.m. PST |
In 1998, there was a commemorative exhibition at Collins Barracks in Dublin, to mark the 200th anniversary of the 1798 Rebellion. Refreshingly, loyalism – at all levels in Irish society – was acknowledged, as was the pro-Crown stance of the majority of the Catholic clergy, and the term "popular" was used to describe the Rebel forces. In the "summing up" display case, just before the exit, there was a magnificent card on which were written word that could only have been penned by an Irishman:- "Ultimately, the popular side lost through lack of support." |
piper909 | 13 Feb 2017 10:55 p.m. PST |
OOhh, dangerous thread for Dawghouse wannabes, I fear. Take your disagreements outside please, gentlemen! |
Hafen von Schlockenberg | 14 Feb 2017 10:48 a.m. PST |
There's such a thing as a "Dawghouse wannabe"? Well,that explains a lot. |
Tango01 | 14 Feb 2017 10:18 p.m. PST |
I was there once… not a good place!… (smile) Amicalement Armand
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Col Durnford | 15 Feb 2017 6:54 a.m. PST |
Next up, some will say something nice about the KKK. |
Supercilius Maximus | 16 Feb 2017 4:24 a.m. PST |
Well, they are whiter than white…… |
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