Captain Gideon | 07 Feb 2017 12:50 p.m. PST |
I had a question that I need to ask. And that question is was there ever a book that contains ships of all the different races in Star Trek? I love Star Trek and all the different ships are great but I don't know if someone ever did a book that encompassed all the different Star Fleets. So does anyone know if such a book was ever published? Michael |
Mako11 | 07 Feb 2017 1:08 p.m. PST |
Check eBay, if you're looking for stats on the different vessels for various races, for gaming. Not sure they ever did just a reference guide though. |
malleman | 07 Feb 2017 1:38 p.m. PST |
Maybe try the Star Trek Encyclopedia |
wminsing | 07 Feb 2017 1:47 p.m. PST |
Depends on what exactly you want. For the various game systems there have been fleet books published; FASA did Federation, Romulan and Klingon fleet books when they held the Star Trek RPG license for example. If you want stats only for stuff that's appeared on TV then I agree something like the Star Trek Encyclopedia might be what you want. But Star Trek canon is a bit of a moving target; earlier books have been superseded by later ones. -Will |
charles popp | 07 Feb 2017 5:08 p.m. PST |
there is a ton of them. I have like 1.5 gigs of stuff |
Lion in the Stars | 07 Feb 2017 11:14 p.m. PST |
To say nothing of all the stuff made for Starfleet Battles. |
Captain Gideon | 08 Feb 2017 7:54 a.m. PST |
Okay here's what I would like. I want info/images on all Star Trek Ships for the following Races: Federation Klingon Empire Romulan Empire Cardassian Dominon Breen Please direct me to where I can get this information. Michael |
TheBeast | 08 Feb 2017 7:54 a.m. PST |
Google-fu fails at the moment, but there a few websites that do damn diligence. I'll try to search harder later. Doug |
Ghostrunner | 08 Feb 2017 8:37 a.m. PST |
Basic info here, including shots of most of the filming models. Not a lot of 'technical' data, however. ex-astris-scientia.org Just schematics of various ships (including fanon) but no data: shipschematics.net |
wminsing | 08 Feb 2017 10:02 a.m. PST |
Actually I'm an idiot; if you want info for the canon ships then the best place to start is going to be Memory Alpha: link -Will |
TheBeast | 08 Feb 2017 6:34 p.m. PST |
Thanks guys, two I had in mind. Memory Alpha can be a bit of a search to find what you want as much is episode based. There may be a list of ships, but I've not seen it yet. Ex Astris Scientia has a fair bit of analysis, especially if you're of the 'I've seen that before, but it wasn't that big' frame of mind. Doug |
TheBeast | 08 Feb 2017 7:53 p.m. PST |
Sorry, forgot to add, wminsing is NO idiot, as Ex Astris Scientia proves. But Star Trek canon is a bit of a moving target; earlier books have been superseded by later ones. This means my 'canon' may not be yours, but neither is wrong when it's so easy to prove so much right. ;->= Doug |
wminsing | 09 Feb 2017 9:05 a.m. PST |
Haha, thanks TheBeast. Yes, I remember when ENT revealed that the Connie class had a rear torpedo launcher and the Trek internet community lost it's collective minds. Everything in Star Trek is firmly carved in Jello. :) I tend to use the term 'In My Trek' which is my own personal head canon and just run with it for gaming rather than stressing if I'm getting stuff 'right'. Anyway, here's the 'starship class' index from Memory Alpha: link The information for a lot of classes still isn't very detailed though. So this might be less of an asset than I thought. -Will |
Part time gamer | 15 Feb 2017 3:55 a.m. PST |
wminsing Everything in Star Trek is firmly carved in Jello. Now THAT's cannon, when it comes to the world of ST. Right off theres: FASA's ST, Paramount's, Memory Alpha, the ST Technical Manuel (Im refering to 'the' older one). IIRC had only 3 ships for the Federation. The DD, CA and the DN, perhaps the tug as well.
wminsing I tend to use the term 'In My Trek' which is my own personal.. canon.. rather than stressing if Im.. 'right'. AMEN Ive done the same. Due to the contraditions, mainly on ship registration. It wasnt 'fun' anymore, so one day just said Enough. Began "MY" ST Universe. 1st: Since most known CA's were named after battles of earth history, "Enterprise", "Yorktown", "Saratoga". With that, "most" of MY Constitution class ships are named as such. (using Zocchi plastics) Have even created MY own CL class. The Goddess class. Its based off of the tug, inspired by the Centaur and Miranda. |
wminsing | 15 Feb 2017 9:35 a.m. PST |
IIRC had only 3 ships for the Federation. The DD, CA and the DN, perhaps the tug as well. Yes, the Franz Joseph book. There was the Tug, and then also the scout which was visually similar (identical) to the DD. This book is what provided the foundation of Star Fleet Battles, which is why SFB has such different assumptions about Star Trek (like warp nacelles providing power). Ive done the same. Due to the contraditions, mainly on ship registration. It wasnt 'fun' anymore, so one day just said Enough. Began "MY" ST Universe. For me it was wanting to combine/mesh the show, SFB and FASA backgrounds as much as possible. Eventually grew to encompass some of my favorite fanon stuff as well, like Star Fleet Museum. It's still a bit of a basket case but I enjoy it. :) -Will |
rbmgl2814 | 19 Feb 2017 8:38 p.m. PST |
^^^^ the Nacelles were always intended to be the source of the ship's power, that's why they are outside on extended pylons, Matt Jefferies, the designer, reasoned that you'd want to keep something so potentially dangerous as a matter-antimatter reactor away from the crew, plus it allowed for a quick swap out of damaged components, in The Doomsday Machine Spock refers to the berserker being attracted by "Our power nacelles", but that concept was not portrayed consistently in the show and was completely changed in the Motion Picture and thoroughly buried by TNG's portrayal of the system |
wminsing | 20 Feb 2017 10:26 a.m. PST |
Thanks for the info rbmgl2814! I didn't mean to imply that Joseph had made that up, just that 'current' Trek canon was different from how the tech was portrayed originally. All carved in jello. :) -Will |
Ghostrunner | 20 Feb 2017 12:28 p.m. PST |
Another issue in TOS… Every time they had warp engine troubles, it was Scotty standing in front of those long, lighted tunnels as they were whining or sparking. Those 'tunnels' were implied to be in the saucer, since several times they mentioned the 'lower decks' were cut off, but they still access to engineering. The Franz Joseph designs assumed those engines were actually the impulse drive. Since then, I've seen some ret-con cross sections that say those tunnels were in the secondary hull, where Main Engineering was on the refit. So the tunnels are ret-conned as being the warp core. (In this version from Ex Astris Scientia, Engineering is quite a bit aft and below where it was in the Refit.)
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Part time gamer | 06 Jun 2017 3:13 a.m. PST |
*Ghostrunner, your 'cross cut' shows Aft phasers. I cant recall, 'a single' episode of TOS where any "Constitution' had aft wpns. In fact as *Wminsing pointed out, until 'Enterprise' episode of "Mirror, Mirror" {actual tital fails me}. (surprise, surprise) Its then we learn they had aft torpedos, "..and there armed!" I think some die hard Trekers 'made peace' w/ that by concludeing; the Defiant was an 'upgraded' Con.II if you will. Thus making it more of a Battle Cruiser than standard heavy cruiser as Enterprise. Regarding the Original ST Tech Manual *Wminsing, your right it had the tug as well. There was another book, "Ships of the Line/Fleet", had a cpl of additional vessels, one in particular, the cruiser Anton. The 'under gunned' early forerunner of the Miranda (Reliant) class. Also I seem to recall a comment, much later by Rodenberry's daughter, that when her father saw the 3 engine Dreadnought design the studio came up with, he was "not" pleased. |
TheBeast | 06 Jun 2017 7:22 a.m. PST |
I think there's a comment in The Making of… that had something about never doing a three engine, based on the Great Bird's aeronautical background, which really weirded me out. Ford Tri-Motor or Ju-52, anyone? *shrug* Doug |
Ghostrunner | 06 Jun 2017 11:37 a.m. PST |
*Ghostrunner, your 'cross cut' shows Aft phasers. I cant recall, 'a single' episode of TOS where any "Constitution' had aft wpns. In fact as *Wminsing pointed out, until 'Enterprise' episode of "Mirror, Mirror" {actual tital fails me}. (surprise, surprise) Its then we learn they had aft torpedos, "..and there armed!" That's rather my point… this is as good a representation of the Connie as I've seen, but it still takes liberty with the design in an attempt to 'ret-con' some things that were seen in later versions of the show. |