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08 Jun 2017 11:55 a.m. PST
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Captain Gideon07 Feb 2017 11:50 a.m. PST

I had a question that I need to ask.

And that question is was there ever a book that contains ships of all the different races in Star Trek?

I love Star Trek and all the different ships are great but I don't know if someone ever did a book that encompassed all the different Star Fleets.

So does anyone know if such a book was ever published?

Michael

Mako11 Inactive Member07 Feb 2017 12:08 p.m. PST

Check eBay, if you're looking for stats on the different vessels for various races, for gaming.

Not sure they ever did just a reference guide though.

malleman07 Feb 2017 12:38 p.m. PST

Maybe try the Star Trek Encyclopedia

wminsing Inactive Member07 Feb 2017 12:47 p.m. PST

Depends on what exactly you want. For the various game systems there have been fleet books published; FASA did Federation, Romulan and Klingon fleet books when they held the Star Trek RPG license for example. If you want stats only for stuff that's appeared on TV then I agree something like the Star Trek Encyclopedia might be what you want. But Star Trek canon is a bit of a moving target; earlier books have been superseded by later ones.

-Will

charles popp07 Feb 2017 4:08 p.m. PST

there is a ton of them. I have like 1.5 gigs of stuff

Lion in the Stars07 Feb 2017 10:14 p.m. PST

To say nothing of all the stuff made for Starfleet Battles.

Captain Gideon08 Feb 2017 6:54 a.m. PST

Okay here's what I would like.

I want info/images on all Star Trek Ships for the following Races:

Federation
Klingon Empire
Romulan Empire
Cardassian
Dominon
Breen

Please direct me to where I can get this information.

Michael

TheBeast Supporting Member of TMP08 Feb 2017 6:54 a.m. PST

Google-fu fails at the moment, but there a few websites that do damn diligence. I'll try to search harder later.

Doug

Ghostrunner08 Feb 2017 7:37 a.m. PST

Basic info here, including shots of most of the filming models.

Not a lot of 'technical' data, however.

ex-astris-scientia.org

Just schematics of various ships (including fanon) but no data:

shipschematics.net

wminsing Inactive Member08 Feb 2017 9:02 a.m. PST

Actually I'm an idiot; if you want info for the canon ships then the best place to start is going to be Memory Alpha:

link

-Will

TheBeast Supporting Member of TMP08 Feb 2017 5:34 p.m. PST

Thanks guys, two I had in mind.

Memory Alpha can be a bit of a search to find what you want as much is episode based. There may be a list of ships, but I've not seen it yet.

Ex Astris Scientia has a fair bit of analysis, especially if you're of the 'I've seen that before, but it wasn't that big' frame of mind.

Doug

TheBeast Supporting Member of TMP08 Feb 2017 6:53 p.m. PST

Sorry, forgot to add, wminsing is NO idiot, as Ex Astris Scientia proves.

But Star Trek canon is a bit of a moving target; earlier books have been superseded by later ones.

This means my 'canon' may not be yours, but neither is wrong when it's so easy to prove so much right. ;->=

Doug

wminsing Inactive Member09 Feb 2017 8:05 a.m. PST

Haha, thanks TheBeast. Yes, I remember when ENT revealed that the Connie class had a rear torpedo launcher and the Trek internet community lost it's collective minds. Everything in Star Trek is firmly carved in Jello. :)

I tend to use the term 'In My Trek' which is my own personal head canon and just run with it for gaming rather than stressing if I'm getting stuff 'right'.

Anyway, here's the 'starship class' index from Memory Alpha:
link

The information for a lot of classes still isn't very detailed though. So this might be less of an asset than I thought.

-Will

Part time gamer15 Feb 2017 2:55 a.m. PST

wminsing
Everything in Star Trek is firmly carved in Jello.
Now THAT's cannon, when it comes to the world of ST.

Right off theres:
FASA's ST, Paramount's, Memory Alpha, the ST Technical Manuel (Im refering to 'the' older one).
IIRC had only 3 ships for the Federation. The DD, CA and the DN, perhaps the tug as well.

wminsing
I tend to use the term 'In My Trek' which is my own personal.. canon.. rather than stressing if Im.. 'right'.
AMEN
Ive done the same. Due to the contraditions, mainly on ship registration. It wasnt 'fun' anymore, so one day just said Enough.
Began "MY" ST Universe.

1st: Since most known CA's were named after battles of earth history, "Enterprise", "Yorktown", "Saratoga". With that, "most" of MY Constitution class ships are named as such.

(using Zocchi plastics) Have even created MY own CL class.
The Goddess class. Its based off of the tug, inspired by the Centaur and Miranda.

wminsing Inactive Member15 Feb 2017 8:35 a.m. PST

IIRC had only 3 ships for the Federation. The DD, CA and the DN, perhaps the tug as well.

Yes, the Franz Joseph book. There was the Tug, and then also the scout which was visually similar (identical) to the DD. This book is what provided the foundation of Star Fleet Battles, which is why SFB has such different assumptions about Star Trek (like warp nacelles providing power).

Ive done the same. Due to the contraditions, mainly on ship registration. It wasnt 'fun' anymore, so one day just said Enough.
Began "MY" ST Universe.

For me it was wanting to combine/mesh the show, SFB and FASA backgrounds as much as possible. Eventually grew to encompass some of my favorite fanon stuff as well, like Star Fleet Museum. It's still a bit of a basket case but I enjoy it. :)

-Will

rbmgl281419 Feb 2017 7:38 p.m. PST

^^^^ the Nacelles were always intended to be the source of the ship's power, that's why they are outside on extended pylons, Matt Jefferies, the designer, reasoned that you'd want to keep something so potentially dangerous as a matter-antimatter reactor away from the crew, plus it allowed for a quick swap out of damaged components, in The Doomsday Machine Spock refers to the berserker being attracted by "Our power nacelles", but that concept was not portrayed consistently in the show and was completely changed in the Motion Picture and thoroughly buried by TNG's portrayal of the system

wminsing Inactive Member20 Feb 2017 9:26 a.m. PST

Thanks for the info rbmgl2814! I didn't mean to imply that Joseph had made that up, just that 'current' Trek canon was different from how the tech was portrayed originally. All carved in jello. :)

-Will

Ghostrunner20 Feb 2017 11:28 a.m. PST

Another issue in TOS…

Every time they had warp engine troubles, it was Scotty standing in front of those long, lighted tunnels as they were whining or sparking.

Those 'tunnels' were implied to be in the saucer, since several times they mentioned the 'lower decks' were cut off, but they still access to engineering.

The Franz Joseph designs assumed those engines were actually the impulse drive.

Since then, I've seen some ret-con cross sections that say those tunnels were in the secondary hull, where Main Engineering was on the refit. So the tunnels are ret-conned as being the warp core.

(In this version from Ex Astris Scientia, Engineering is quite a bit aft and below where it was in the Refit.)

picture

Part time gamer06 Jun 2017 2:13 a.m. PST

*Ghostrunner,
your 'cross cut' shows Aft phasers. I cant recall, 'a single' episode of TOS where any "Constitution' had aft wpns.
In fact as *Wminsing pointed out, until 'Enterprise' episode of "Mirror, Mirror" {actual tital fails me}.
(surprise, surprise) Its then we learn they had aft torpedos, "..and there armed!"

I think some die hard Trekers 'made peace' w/ that by concludeing; the Defiant was an 'upgraded'
Con.II if you will. Thus making it more of a Battle Cruiser than standard heavy cruiser as Enterprise.

Regarding the Original ST Tech Manual *Wminsing, your right it had the tug as well.
There was another book, "Ships of the Line/Fleet", had a cpl of additional vessels, one in particular,
the cruiser Anton. The 'under gunned' early forerunner of the Miranda (Reliant) class.

Also I seem to recall a comment, much later by Rodenberry's daughter, that when her father saw the 3 engine
Dreadnought design the studio came up with, he was "not" pleased.

TheBeast Supporting Member of TMP06 Jun 2017 6:22 a.m. PST

I think there's a comment in The Making of… that had something about never doing a three engine, based on the Great Bird's aeronautical background, which really weirded me out.

Ford Tri-Motor or Ju-52, anyone? *shrug*

Doug

Ghostrunner06 Jun 2017 10:37 a.m. PST

*Ghostrunner,
your 'cross cut' shows Aft phasers. I cant recall, 'a single' episode of TOS where any "Constitution' had aft wpns.
In fact as *Wminsing pointed out, until 'Enterprise' episode of "Mirror, Mirror" {actual tital fails me}.
(surprise, surprise) Its then we learn they had aft torpedos, "..and there armed!"

That's rather my point… this is as good a representation of the Connie as I've seen, but it still takes liberty with the design in an attempt to 'ret-con' some things that were seen in later versions of the show.

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