Editor in Chief Bill | 21 Jan 2017 4:14 p.m. PST |
…I can only conclude that this page is the way it is because this is what you want. Because if you keep doing things that got us collectively to here, I think that membership will continue to be a problem, finances will continue to be a problem, your workload will continue to be a problem, the drama and associated baggage will continue with the same results we are seeing now.I think that spells the eventual doom of TMP. Your assumption is that TMP's fortunes are down because of something I'm doing (or not doing). Again, that's your opinion, but there's no evidence for that. It could just be a change in the hobby. It could be the graying of the hobby. It could be competition from Facebook. I'm inclined to keep being me, to let TMP be TMP, and let the chips fall where they will. If TMP survives the storm, great! If TMP goes under, well, all things come to an end, and there are other things I can be doing as well. |
Editor in Chief Bill | 21 Jan 2017 4:19 p.m. PST |
It was about the way you ran the place and the things that you did. Since you don't provide specific examples, there is nothing I can do about it, is there? Running a large website like TMP, with its large and diverse associated community, is a tough job sometimes. Decisions have to be made from time to time that will offend some people. That's the way it has to be. |
sjwalker38 | 21 Jan 2017 4:25 p.m. PST |
Sometimes, "do nothing, change nothing" is the best course of action but not when the current business model is failing. And, if you're unwilling to make changes or try something new that might improve the financials, while ignoring most of the advice and suggestions made, the outcome is inevitable. You sound as if you're ready to throw in the towel. One more suggestion: have you sorted out the advertising with John T yet? He's always looking for interesting stories about the hobby – why not an article about TMP's history and what it has to offer, to boost awareness of the site amongst potential SMs and trade advertisers alike? |
Legion 4 | 21 Jan 2017 4:26 p.m. PST |
and at times it seems the wrong people get the DH HEy ! I got DH'd plenty of times I'll have you know ! I'm never going to be one of your "Jingo'istic "Bill's Board, Bill's Rules" supporters, you have enough of those already. Hey ! I've tried … but Bill still has DH'd me plenty of times regardless … |
Bellbottom | 21 Jan 2017 5:55 p.m. PST |
For what it's worth I agree wholeheartedly with what Terrement has posted. It's one of the reasons my last subscription was only for 6 months, and not my usual year. |
Stavka | 21 Jan 2017 7:34 p.m. PST |
But: If you're a Basic Member for whom this is an issue, please PM me. Let's see a count of people who really care about this one. Why bother with a PM. I'll just say it here then, for the record. Sure, there is a lot of good information here at TMP, which was why at one point I decided to become a supporting member. But over the years the focus seemed to drift. I agree completely with the views expressed by Garrison Miniatures and Terrement. Politics and religion are toxic in any hobby site and invariably leave a bad taste in the mouth- period. And it's not good for business. I was pleased when the Blue Fez was created, supposedly in order to provide a separate forum for issues political. But it seems that things couldn't be left well enough alone, and politics just had to creep back into the main site, and especially once the Ultramoderns board came into being. My own bottom line is that I'll be damned if I'll pay a supporting membership fee for any hobby site that provides any kind of platform, on any part of the site, for anyone to spout off their political agendas, regardless of whether I view their posts or not. There are plenty other places on the Internet for that. Nor was I comfortable with- yes, the erratic moderation and the revolving door that is the Dawghouse (face it, there's absolutely no real discouragement for repeat offenders- they seem to take a perverse pride in it). As a deterrent, it seems to be patently pretty useless. Not to mention all the dramas that seem to flair up with depressing regularity (and which could easily have been avoided in so many instances by some initial judicious and intelligent moderation). Then there are the bannings and expulsions, the bugs and down time, and the explosion of new boards and posts that are barely relevant- if at all- to the hobby. Even allowing for the size of TMP, all this just doesn't seem to happen at other wargames fora out there (and where I find myself spending considerably more time as a result). But then, most of them have a zero tolerance policy regarding any kind of political discussion at all, without the need for lengthy FAQs and overly-legalistic interpretations of when the line is crossed. It also makes it easier for members to police themselves knowing this. If TMP returned to its roots as a place to discuss miniatures and wargaming, with perhaps a small part of the site for more general topics that do not include anything of a political nature, then I would come here more often (and for the right reasons) and, most likely, consider a supporting membership again. Bill, you needn't waste computer time in an attempt to justify to me how you want to run your own site, or why you want to do it the way you do. If the majority of members are perceived as being happy with the way the site is going, fine. But whether -I- pay for a membership or not depends entirely on how satisfied or not I am with how the the ship is being steered. If it's not going in a direction I feel comfortable with, then it's not worth me wasting my money. That's my call. I'll still check out TMP on occasion, but not nearly as often as I used to, and as it stands now it's a long way from being a site I love enough to want to sink my money into. One person's opinion of course; but from many a conversation with many different people, I'm not alone in my thinking. |
McKinstry | 21 Jan 2017 8:49 p.m. PST |
I can point to a concrete example of totally unnecessary drama that served no beneficial outcome for TMP. Not too long ago, a supporting member and advertiser got called out here because of something they said (accurately I believe ) on another place entirely (maybe their Facebook page?). That person left and a least one other, me, cancelled our support simply because we could not in good conscience support calling out/shaming individuals over comments elsewhere on the web. In retrospect I should have objected when that awful OFM trolling polling was going on but I just wasn't paying attention. Shame on me. Whether it was Howard/Mexican Jack, Sam Mustafa he of a thousand names, Katie L, Allen Curtis (RIP), Kyoteblue or Neo, a slow trickle of really valuable supporting members (a not inconsiderable number who were also advertisers ) have drifted away, mostly on their own volition. Individually any one member leaving with a $25 USD tab lost is insignificant. Over time, a steady trickle will erode virtually any edifice. |
Temporary like Achilles | 21 Jan 2017 8:55 p.m. PST |
Don't want to pile it on, but the evidence has been here in TMP talk for some time, Bill. As others have said, TMP has been a wonderful resource for those of us learning about wargaming and its associated skills and has been an excellent place to discuss various wargame-related topics in a spirit of cameraderie and friendly (or occasionally not so friendly) rivalry. That is being lost. Partly it is a result of trends around internet use and which are mostly out of your control, but it is also undeniably due to things which you can control if you want to. I don't know how many times I personally have said this in the last year or two, but the site would function better if there were less controversy and more wargaming. People have made well-meaning suggestions along these lines to you before, but for some reason you don't want to listen. You claim there is no evidence. I would suggest that, as far as controversial topics go, there is fairly strong evidence of negative cause and effect on TMP. People get pissed off. They become bitter. They become more antagonistic. This attitude damages the tone. Some leave. Some people don't renew paying membership. Some manufacturers withdraw their support. Some people post on Frothers, etc. Some badmouth you to see if they can get a reaction. Some people actually want to see TMP fail and do what they can to sow discord. I can understand how you must sometimes just think 'blow this for a game of soldiers'. I would probably feel the same way. I bet you are sometimes unsure who is well-meaning and who is simply putting on a face while actually attempting to undermine the TMP project. I wish you luck, but I think you need to start listening to some of the wise heads amongst members here otherwise things are likely to get worse before they get better. Ask yourself the question: what would be the worst thing that could happen to TMP? If the answer is 'members getting grumpy and failing to support the site' then you need to do something, because that's what has been happening. Best wishes, Aaron |
Editor in Chief Bill | 21 Jan 2017 10:45 p.m. PST |
And, if you're unwilling to make changes or try something new that might improve the financials… I don't believe I ever said that. …while ignoring most of the advice and suggestions made… Not ignoring. I read it, ponder it, and make my own decisions. After 20+ years, I think I know a little bit about TMP. …the outcome is inevitable. You sound as if you're ready to throw in the towel. Not at all. I enjoy my job. I will miss TMP if it goes away. But I also know there are a lot more adventures out there for me, too! One more suggestion: have you sorted out the advertising with John T yet? It's back in John's court again. I just exchanged messages with him earlier today (Editor Gwen being offline for a while). |
Editor in Chief Bill | 21 Jan 2017 10:49 p.m. PST |
But I'm out of the suggestion and recommendation business. Maybe that's the best for both of us. |
Editor in Chief Bill | 21 Jan 2017 10:54 p.m. PST |
Why bother with a PM. I'll just say it here then, for the record. Thank you, Stavka. And also, for the record, I have received zero PMs since my invitation. That tends to reinforce my view that this is a problem for a vocal minority, rather than a problem that most members perceive. My observation is that the average TMPer simply focuses on wargaming and doesn't get involved (or often even notice!) the non-wargaming issues. |
Editor in Chief Bill | 21 Jan 2017 11:00 p.m. PST |
Not too long ago, a supporting member and advertiser got called out here because of something they said (accurately I believe ) on another place entirely (maybe their Facebook page?). Something they said about TMP. And I called them on it. I stand by that decision. That person left and a least one other, me, cancelled our support simply because we could not in good conscience support calling out/shaming individuals over comments elsewhere on the web. As I said, there are times when I make decisions that people will disagree with. That's part of the job. I thought that Howard's remarks were reprehensible, and I am, frankly, glad that he's gone. Whether it was Howard/Mexican Jack, Sam Mustafa he of a thousand names, Katie L, Allen Curtis (RIP), Kyoteblue or Neo, a slow trickle of really valuable supporting members (a not inconsiderable number who were also advertisers ) have drifted away, mostly on their own volition. Individually any one member leaving with a $25 USD USD tab lost is insignificant. Over time, a steady trickle will erode virtually any edifice. Perhaps. But it is also true that the presence of some people drive away others. To cite an example, a number of people returned to TMP when the (late) Allen Curtis left. And in the case of Katie L, I asked her to leave because she continued to "cry wolf" about website issues that she could never back up with any substance. I felt that her constant negativity was driving readers away, and I too am glad she is gone. |
Editor in Chief Bill | 21 Jan 2017 11:08 p.m. PST |
I wish you luck, but I think you need to start listening to some of the wise heads amongst members here otherwise things are likely to get worse before they get better. These "wise heads" seem to be short on specifics, Aaron. You want "less controversy and more wargaming" – when have I ever done anything to stir up controversy? Everything I do here is to promote wargaming. You claim there is no evidence. I would suggest that, as far as controversial topics go, there is fairly strong evidence of negative cause and effect on TMP. People get pissed off. They become bitter. They become more antagonistic. This attitude damages the tone. Some leave. Some people don't renew paying membership. Some manufacturers withdraw their support. Some people post on Frothers, etc. Some badmouth you to see if they can get a reaction. Some people actually want to see TMP fail and do what they can to sow discord. The problem with your argument is that many of those "bitter" people were asked to leave TMP for good reason. They were cyber-stalkers. They would not obey forum rules. They advocated violence. They harassed other gamers. They were concern trolls. They made lewd comments about women. The fact that some people dislike TMP and want to see it die or sold off doesn't mean I've done anything wrong. |
Stavka | 21 Jan 2017 11:33 p.m. PST |
And also, for the record, I have received zero PMs since my invitation. That tends to reinforce my view that this is a problem for a vocal minority, rather than a problem that most members perceive. Not exactly a scientific sampling, Bill. A number of problems with that conclusion. There's an assumption that everyone who has an opinion on that: 1) reads TMP Talk, and this thread in particular 2) could be arsed to reply (most don't, one way or another) 3) haven't already left the building. You're not going to get any kind of empirical or meaningful information this way. Your biggest problem in light of your funding issues doesn't seem to be what the current membership thinks about the moderation of any one particular board, but the fact that you need a lot more people becoming paid members, and how best to achieve this. Controversy and massive periodic meltdowns tend to run counter to this. Sure a lot of people might come and watch the train wreck, but few will dig deep into their pockets to pay for the spectacle, while others will simply roll their eyes and let existing memberships quietly lapse. Terrement mentioned it earlier, and all I can do is to underline what he said. In my line of work we deal a lot with getting feedback from clients- its essential to our success. One of the things learned early is that it is far, far better just to listen and accept unfavourable comments rather than to get defensive and try to respond and debate every issue raised. No greater way to people off- been there, done that. No one here is raising issues just for a laugh or out of spite. Their perceptions are real enough in their view, and their comments are sincere. And there's enough of a common thread runnuing through a lot of them that, to even a casual observer, suggests that they need to be taken more seriously. Biting the hands that potentially might be needed to feed you is not the best way to go. Maybe, just maybe, there is a problem out there, given that you've just fired your editors and have, in an earlier thread, asked for ideas about how to increase funding. To be honest your response to a lot of the issues raised in this thread makes me doubt that your situation regarding funding is going to improve anytime soon. This should be thinking-outside-the-box time. Personally, I have no stake in all this because I don't run TMP and it's not my only wargaming fix out there in the Internet. I would hate to see it go. However the way it is now, it's just not as enjoyable a place as I feel it used to be. |
Editor in Chief Bill | 22 Jan 2017 12:27 a.m. PST |
Controversy and massive periodic meltdowns tend to run counter to this. Perhaps, but what would you do to prevent them? I'm not stirring up any controversy, and I'm not having any melt-downs. |
Stavka | 22 Jan 2017 12:41 a.m. PST |
Buddha on a bike… go back and read people's posts, and visit a few other sites. Bill, this isn't astrophysics. A search through TMP posts in the aftermath of past meltdowns, and you would likely find lots of suggestions on how to go about doing this. Although of course, it would help if the search function actually worked. Nipping these outbursts in the bud by locking threads is a good start; people soon get the message, and it seems to work on other fora. Your repeated brushing things away with a comment and a smiley face does not solve the problem address the issue or answer the question. Q.E.D., and quoted for truth. Really spitting into the wind here, aren't we. I've had my say on all this. |
McWong73 | 22 Jan 2017 2:40 a.m. PST |
Bill, write them a good reference and tell them to look up content management work on jobstreet. There are plenty of companies looking for experienced content managers in Manila and Cebu, I'm sure they'll land on their feet shortly. |
sjwalker38 | 22 Jan 2017 2:48 a.m. PST |
Gents, I think we're wasting our time. Horses to water Fiddling while Rome burns Rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. Car crash in slow motion Last days in the bunker The lady's not for turning Take your pick. |
15th Hussar | 22 Jan 2017 3:14 a.m. PST |
Gentleman… Forget it, we're quite literally not getting through to Bill. Tonnes of good advice has been posted above, almost all of it in a thoughtful, respectful and comprehensive manner and it's all being just shrugged off. I give up… |
willlucv | 22 Jan 2017 3:33 a.m. PST |
I really like the site and find it a useful resource. If it was me I'd lose the Ultramodern board, it has become a sounding board for people with really quite unsavoury views and doesn't really work with the wargames theme or the no politics ethos of the forum. Well done Bill top job! |
Gunfreak | 22 Jan 2017 3:38 a.m. PST |
I'm usually quite in these things (mostly because a few wrong words and you risk getting locked out of TMP) But I agree with terrement and all the others. As someone who has zero bones to pick with internal or external affairs concerning TNP. I too get the feeling that in the last years half of the meltdowns, exoduses and bannings have been states by Bill, a good portion of the other half could have been avoided if Bill simply deleted the threads. His standard "none answers" are not helpful either. I have no hard evidence of this. But this is my general feel. |
GarrisonMiniatures | 22 Jan 2017 3:51 a.m. PST |
I wouldn't count me as a 'wise head' but I thought I had given you quite a few specifics in the past relating to me. Seems to me that quite a few people have done the same. Re pming you, we're talking about a 'silent majority' who often don't post – why should they send a pm? OK, look at proportions. What proportion of non-supporting REGULAR posters are expressing dissatisfaction? Could do a quick poll: I'm happy with TMP as it is but don't want to be a supporter I'm not happy with TMP but would support TMP if I was. At least, those two questions could give you an indication of the proportions of people you are potentially missing. |
Temporary like Achilles | 22 Jan 2017 4:04 a.m. PST |
These "wise heads" seem to be short on specifics, Aaron.You want "less controversy and more wargaming" – when have I ever done anything to stir up controversy? Everything I do here is to promote wargaming. Bill, with respect, here are a few recent examples of threads that you yourself started that were likely to be controversial, and that had no real connection to wargaming. TMP link TMP link TMP link TMP link TMP link TMP link You claim there is no evidence. I would suggest that, as far as controversial topics go, there is fairly strong evidence of negative cause and effect on TMP. People get pissed off. They become bitter. They become more antagonistic. This attitude damages the tone. Some leave. Some people don't renew paying membership. Some manufacturers withdraw their support. Some people post on Frothers, etc. Some badmouth you to see if they can get a reaction. Some people actually want to see TMP fail and do what they can to sow discord. The problem with your argument is that many of those "bitter" people were asked to leave TMP for good reason. They were cyber-stalkers. They would not obey forum rules. They advocated violence. They harassed other gamers. They were concern trolls. They made lewd comments about women. The fact that some people dislike TMP and want to see it die or sold off doesn't mean I've done anything wrong. I wasn't talking about the people that you've forced to leave; I'm talking about the people who react as I described on their own volition. Anyway, you certainly don't have to take on board the suggestions that people are making, but they seem to have a consistent theme: get rid of the peripheral stuff and concentrate on wargaming. All the best, Aaron |
War Panda | 22 Jan 2017 6:21 a.m. PST |
I believe TMP would be a much more pleasant place if it were more of a historical wargaming site and less a histrionic one |
IUsedToBeSomeone | 22 Jan 2017 6:41 a.m. PST |
I agree with temporary.. I, and several others, stopped advertising due to your creation of a board to mock people on other websites….. Concentrate on Wargaming and stop stirring and I'll consider advertising again. Mike |
deephorse | 22 Jan 2017 7:16 a.m. PST |
I didn't send you a PM Bill because I thought I'd post here instead and let everyone read it. You seem to be saying that everything is OK because none of the critical comments above has come to you as a PM. Crazy. Please count my post as a PM then. |
sjwalker38 | 22 Jan 2017 8:16 a.m. PST |
Or maybe it's the weekend, he's off doing other things and hasn't read them yet – though there's nothing I can see that would warrant censorship, especially given Bill's support of Free Speech even on contentious issues in the past. |
Weasel | 22 Jan 2017 8:54 a.m. PST |
The answer is always "everything is fine, nothing needs to change". |
Legion 4 | 22 Jan 2017 9:02 a.m. PST |
And in the case of Katie L, I asked her to leave because she continued to "cry wolf" about website issues that she could never back up with any substance. I felt that her constant negativity was driving readers away, and I too am glad she is gone. I see this in the same light … And as far as boards, threads, topics, etc. … If I see a thread, etc., that may not interest me I don't click on it. And even if I see a topic which I think looks like there is going to be a "problem" … I try to ignore it … |
sjwalker38 | 22 Jan 2017 10:00 a.m. PST |
It's unfortunate that Bill does seem to ignore, dismiss or put down any suggestions or constructive criticisms made rather than run with some of them and have a proper discussion. It would be interesting to know how many SMs there were/are, and how many trade advertisers, but I appreciate that might be considered commercially sensitive. But surely Bill has some idea of the reasons why they're in decline and has some ideas to revive them. There's enough evidence scattered amongst various public and Lounge threads to show that the 'spats' with Howard Whitehouse, Michael at Angel Barracks etc cost TMP in both SM and advertiser support, whatever the perceived rights and wrongs of the case on both sides. If I was Bill, I'd be approaching all the trade advertisers like Mike at Black Hat to see what was needed to bring them back, and go on a massive publicity push aimed at gaining new SMs using his extensive trade contacts to set up some collaborative deals (Spend $50 USD with supplier X and get half-price membership of TMP for a year), push for articles in WI, MW etc, similarly approach the major bloggers like Meeples – it's never been easier or cheaper to use social media to promote yourself. As someone said, it's not rocket science, just business. |
Waco Joe | 22 Jan 2017 11:14 a.m. PST |
I like it here. I think TMP is probably the best place, in general, to find out information about the hobby. When it veers off gaming into more modern issues I don't mind. Sometimes it stay civil and I learn something, sometimes it gets nasty and I walk away. I do miss some of those who chose to leave but have come to know in my six decades on this planet that some people have other priorities, values and agendas, and trying to please everyone generally means you please no one. I also have learned that in order to wrestle pigs in the mud, I have to be the one who climbs over the fence and get down and dirty. I always have the choice to just leave it alone. Never has a pig ambushed me in the kitchen and dragged me to the slop. I also know that, like some fundamentalists, some people are never happy knowing that somewhere, someone may be having fun inappropriately or holding wrong beliefs. Bottom line, FIDO: forget it, drive on. |
sjwalker38 | 22 Jan 2017 11:45 a.m. PST |
Trouble is, Joe, unless some things change, it's likely that this great resource will be no more, which would be a real loss. Had to smile when I saw your tag line: could be Bill's motto right now… "Excellent! My left flank is retreating, the right was annihilated in place, the center is wavering. My plan is coming together nicely." |
Editor in Chief Bill | 22 Jan 2017 12:24 p.m. PST |
Trouble is, Joe, unless some things change, it's likely that this great resource will be no more, which would be a real loss. That's a bit extreme, isn't it? I, and several others, stopped advertising due to your creation of a board to mock people on other websites….. No such board. Bill, with respect, here are a few recent examples of threads that you yourself started that were likely to be controversial, and that had no real connection to wargaming. A post announcing an explicit "no bullying" policy is stirring up controversy? Really? |
IUsedToBeSomeone | 22 Jan 2017 12:42 p.m. PST |
So Bill I didn't stop advertising after you created a lounge board named after Michael Stockin? We really are in a post-truth world now…. Mike |
GarrisonMiniatures | 22 Jan 2017 12:44 p.m. PST |
'That's a bit extreme, isn't it?' You have just lost 80% of your workforce. On that basis, seems like a reasonable comment. |
sjwalker38 | 22 Jan 2017 12:52 p.m. PST |
So, Bill, as it's clear we're barking up the wrong tree, maybe you could share with us what you are planning to do to secure the long term financial security of TMP and, what, if anything, we might do to assist? And, now that I've become a SM, I can now read what remains of the various threads discussing the Michael Stockin closet board, and the Howard Whitehouse Pigsty board. Together with the links provided above (which you've chosen to ignore as concrete examples of controversy), I'm not surprised that many traders and SMs would wish to disassociate themselves from such shenanigans. I learnt a new term today "alternative facts"; seems it's catching on 'over there'. :-) |
GarrisonMiniatures | 22 Jan 2017 12:54 p.m. PST |
'No such board.' ' created a lounge board named after Michael Stockin?' Never heard of Michael Stockin. Checked the Board. 'due to your creation of a board to mock people on other websites…..' sounds like exactly what that board was set up to do and is used for. |
Editor in Chief Bill | 22 Jan 2017 3:25 p.m. PST |
'due to your creation of a board to mock people on other websites…..' sounds like exactly what that board was set up to do and is used for. The board description says: For laughing about things people elsewhere are saying about TMP. Laughing at the crazy things people say is a healthy response. There's also a need to respond to some of the crazy accusations from time to time. |
IUsedToBeSomeone | 22 Jan 2017 3:32 p.m. PST |
Bill, That is your view of the board, I am just letting you know that I and some others didn't view it that way. For me it was the point that TMP "jumped the shark" and was why I cancelled my advertising. If you are happy to lose advertising as you believe that type of board is important to TMP that is your call Mike |
GarrisonMiniatures | 22 Jan 2017 4:14 p.m. PST |
Comes under my heading of snarky humour. Whatever the point or reason, making snarky comments just brings down the mood of the forums. |
Editor in Chief Bill | 22 Jan 2017 6:52 p.m. PST |
If you are happy to lose advertising as you believe that type of board is important to TMP that is your call I'm sorry that you feel that way, but I believe TMP does need a way to respond when attacks are made against it, and I feel the posts to that board have been civil in tone. |
Editor in Chief Bill | 22 Jan 2017 6:55 p.m. PST |
You have just lost 80% of your workforce. On that basis, seems like a reasonable comment. Consider that we still have hundreds of advertisers, and many hundreds of Supporting Members. |
Editor in Chief Bill | 22 Jan 2017 10:33 p.m. PST |
Increasing the membership fee might allow the return of some of the editorial staff, even if only on a part-time basis. |
Temporary like Achilles | 23 Jan 2017 12:25 a.m. PST |
EDIT: decided to step back. I think I've laboured my point enough. Best, Aaron |
sjwalker38 | 23 Jan 2017 12:34 a.m. PST |
Back in 2012, you had 1300 SMs – assuming you still have the email addresses, why not contact the lost ones to see what might encourage them to return? If you increased the membership fee to, say, 30 dollars, it would only bring in a few thousand more, and it wouldn't take many not renewing to wipe out the potential benefit. Recruiting hundreds of more SMs and trade advertisers has got to be the solution – and that means a publicity drive and responding to what those potential new members want, rather than meeting the needs of a small, and dwindling, number of core supporters. |
TheGiantTribble | 23 Jan 2017 3:13 a.m. PST |
But: If you're a Basic Member for whom this is an issue, please PM me. Let's see a count of people who really care about this one. I'm a basic member. I really enjoy TMP. I accept this is Bill's house and his rules. However… I refuse to pay any sort of membership fee, so as it may appear to condone the actions of the boss/editor in chief/Bill. Whom at various times has exhibited being a troll, and a bully, and seems not to understand the concept of common sense. I refuse to PM this as if I have an opinion I wish to express, or have been invite to express, I will express it in public for all to see and agree or disagree as is their want. |
Gwydion | 23 Jan 2017 5:09 a.m. PST |
I refuse to PM this as if I have an opinion I wish to express, or have been invite to express, I will express it in public for all to see and agree or disagree as is their want. For goodness sake man – it's 'as is their WONT' it means customary behaviour. Carry on. |
TheGiantTribble | 23 Jan 2017 5:51 a.m. PST |
Well I truly hope Gwydion that your being able to correct me brings you many joys, and a general feeling of largeness to your soul. Or at least makes you feel a big man. But I don't overly see how bringing enlightenment to a dyslexic in regards to spelling and or grammar is entirely relevant to the topic in hand. |
15th Hussar | 23 Jan 2017 5:57 a.m. PST |
Agreed, TGT…you just gave an impassioned call to arms ala' Marc Antony, mess up on the spelling of one word and got pilloried for it! Btw, Gwydion…TGT might have mis-spelled the word, but he did have the meaning down pat, until you just had to come along and stop the Passion Express with a cold eye and the usual "Papers, please!". |
sjwalker38 | 23 Jan 2017 6:06 a.m. PST |
+1 Andrew, GD and TGT Let's not be distracted by grammatical niceties from the importance of ensuring that long-term viability of TMP, so we can all enjoy and benefit from it for many more years. |