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Gratian09 Jan 2017 7:12 a.m. PST

Nationalities? Poses? Parade v campaign dress?

Napoleonic ranges seem pretty comprehensive now but wondering if any slight omissions are niggling anyone here?

Personal logo Artilleryman Supporting Member of TMP09 Jan 2017 7:26 a.m. PST

Mounted horse artillerymen and marching foot artillerymen in 28mm. Foundry did the former for France and the UK and Calpe did the latter for Prussia. But the Foundry figures come in a mixed set and the Calpes are only for 1813-15. The figures need to be more 'relaxed' than their cavalry and infantry equivalents as though they are trudging after their guns.

Just a hope…

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP09 Jan 2017 7:45 a.m. PST

I'll second that. You can get the artillery train and the drivers for almost any country of the Napoleonic era. But try to find the gunners doing anything other than serving or aiming their gun.

Standing horses, of reasonable size and proportions, not the careering, galloping, mad charge ones that are universal. Perry Chasseurs' horses for French light cavalry and Cuirassiers' for French Heavy and British Light Dragoons' are honourable exceptions I admit (but I have so many unused cavalrymen now, just to get multiples of three standing horses……….

olicana09 Jan 2017 7:59 a.m. PST

Artillerymen are something underdone in most genres. A few 'sets' out there are doing more than stood about holding a rammer or a bucket, but very few.

I've always seen artillery as the ideal on table vignette. They cost quite a lot compared to other units (unit for unit) and I'd like to see a little more imagination in gun crew design, in all periods, full stop

Martin Rapier09 Jan 2017 8:31 a.m. PST

There is a real shortage of French Imperial Guard figures:)

More seriously, just to agree with what the other have said so far – more in the way of 'logistics' type figures – relaxed gunners, pioneers digging holes, blokes carrying boxes…

Mick the Metalsmith09 Jan 2017 8:51 a.m. PST

militia and guerillas in 15 and 28

boy wundyr x09 Jan 2017 9:13 a.m. PST

In 15mm, those late-war Imperial Guard scouts Napoleon had, which IIRC, had a couple types of uniforms, one of which you can kinda fudge but the other is too unique.

Of course if I've just missed them, please let me know! This is for skirmish gaming, so they'll show up on the table more than than if I needed them for big battles.

@Mick – Minifigs has some 15mm Spanish and Russian guerillas, I think militia too for some nations.

4th Cuirassier09 Jan 2017 9:22 a.m. PST

You can get the artillery train and the drivers for almost any country of the Napoleonic era. But try to find the gunners doing anything other than serving or aiming their gun.

I wish I could find Austrian and French artillery limbers, riders and marching crew for 1805 in 28mm.

There seems to be a dearth of accurate 1805 Austrian line infantry, too. Most have the short-tailed 1809 coat. Those one can find with the longer-tailed coat have the Belgic shako. In 1805 they in fact had long tails and crested helmets.

In 1/72 plastic there are no decent French or Prussian dragoons.

idontbelieveit09 Jan 2017 9:30 a.m. PST

I've not been paying a lot of attention to Napoleonics for awhile. Here are some things missing last time I was looking. If the gaps have been filled (I do 28mm) I would love to know. All of these are for 1813:

Baden
French young and middle guard not in full dress
Westphalian light infantry

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP09 Jan 2017 10:05 a.m. PST

To boy wundyr X;

2e Eclaireurs de la Garde Imperiale…attached to the Dragoons of the Guard and a unique uniform….even if I find the conical shako hard to believe, as being truly contemporary. My attempts to create them in 28mm. I could not resist the shabraque, on front rank, even if wrong

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dwight shrute09 Jan 2017 10:18 a.m. PST

@4th Cuirassier , are not the Italeri 1/72 French Dragoons some of the best figures ever made ?

Timmo uk09 Jan 2017 10:19 a.m. PST

I collect AB Napoleonics. I've mentioned these before and I think I'm correct in writing that TB has confirmed that the Portuguese are on the 'to do one day' list.

Portuguese
Line flank co skirmishing
Artillery crews
Dragoons
Staff officers

Spanish
Irregular lancers
Guerrillas

German Division in Spain
I'm not sure of all the Confederation of the Rhine and other Germanic uniforms required for these units but am fairly certain that there's a uniform with a side plumed shako as an example.

Ottomans
If TB expanded the range that would be fabulous.

Jozis Tin Man09 Jan 2017 10:44 a.m. PST

From Baccus, 6mm mounted crossbowmen for the 15th century and 6mm AWi highlanders in trousers instead of kilts. Really, that is it!

We are in a golden age of figures truly, if that is all I am wanting.

Personal logo Artilleryman Supporting Member of TMP09 Jan 2017 10:50 a.m. PST

Thinking about it I would also like to see more 'camp followers'. French cantinieres, British 'soldiers' women', local peasants and farmers etc, etc. With 6 wives per company in a British battalion that's 60 wives excluding families and unofficial females which means at least 3 figures at 1:20; think about that!

HP2Sport09 Jan 2017 10:56 a.m. PST

Napoleonic regimental band figures. In dress and parade uniform. In larger 28mm.

Lambert Supporting Member of TMP09 Jan 2017 11:09 a.m. PST

Another vote for mounted horse gunners, marching artillerymen, horses standing still and cavalry not waving swords in the air.

wrgmr109 Jan 2017 11:20 a.m. PST

Calpe is missing Prussian cuirassiers. I had to use Foundry.

matthewgreen09 Jan 2017 11:28 a.m. PST

In 15/18mm I have found French artillery models a disappointment for the most part. Worst are 4pdrs and howitzers (especially the An XI 24pdr which was the most widely used). It seems that most manufacturers did their French ranges when the state of research was pretty poor. The later 28mm ranges are much better served.

I would like somebody to do Tirailleurs Corse, as these are beyond my modelling skills to convert.

More variations within Prussian Reserve regiments and landwehr would be good too – especially landwehr with taller caps as shown in contemporary prints.

willthepiper09 Jan 2017 11:51 a.m. PST

Deadhead asked for:

Standing horses, of reasonable size and proportions,

Front Rank sells horses individually:

link

forwardmarchstudios09 Jan 2017 12:06 p.m. PST

Nice thing about 3mm is that it doesn't really matter…. that said I would love to have some Austrian grenadiers (Marcin, if you're reading this…😀)

Desert Fox09 Jan 2017 12:34 p.m. PST

3mm Napoleonics

The only things keeping me from diving into 3mm Napoeloncs and earlier…

1. Grenadiers in mitre--foot and horse
2. tricorne-horse, foot, and arty crews
3. large arty pieces--currently the largest is 12 pdr
4. skirmishers casted 2 to a base, not the current 4. (4 still seems too crowded for skirmishers). Or casted as obviously two pairs of two skirmishers on a wider base.

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP09 Jan 2017 12:53 p.m. PST

willthepiper,

Thanks indeed. I have a few of them, but find them curiously tiny, compared to the tubby characters (however good the castings) riding them. Most also come with out any saddlery, expecting it to come with their own riders of course. Their Heavy cavalry horses I think would just about do for Perry-sized light cavalry. The Light Cavalry horses are small ponies.

I honestly think Front Rank horses are nearer to My Little Pony proportions than cavalry steeds. (accepting that by 1813 French cavalry would put up with anything!)

forwardmarchstudios09 Jan 2017 1:09 p.m. PST

Desert Fox- you can snip the skirmishers- that's what I do. I base all of mine individually.

I agree on the tricornes- it would be so easy to do an entire tricorne-era range, I don't know why someone hasn't done it yet. You only need a dozen sculpts and the period is basically covered. It would be very easy to do 1:1 tricorne armies for under $1 USDk…. I wish someone would.

On arty… maybe you could use 6mm 6 pounders :)

Duc de Brouilly09 Jan 2017 1:18 p.m. PST

(I'm talking 25/28 mm Napoleonic here).

Surprisingly few ranges do a French line sapper for your tete de colonne.

And as far as I know, no one does Berg lancers. Conversion is possible but the elite company in colpacks and the chasseur style uniforms worn in Spain are trickier. I'm hoping Gringos might consider doing some: seems like the sort of thing they'd do.

However, the figure I'm really looking for is of a French dragoon with the butt of his carbine resting on his thigh. It's an obvious pose for a dragoon you would have thought and would be nice as part of a command group. Blowed if I can find one though! So if anyone knows of such a figure …

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boy wundyr x09 Jan 2017 1:39 p.m. PST

@deadhead – Beautiful stuff, thanks for sharing! Would love those guys for 15mm.

@DesertFox & Fowardmarch – I suspect you guys may know this, but Magister Militum does 3mm ECW to tricorne era figures. I'm not sure they'd work with O8 stuff (certainly not on the same base), but if all you wanted to do was say 1640s-SYW, you'd be able to get a good start with MM.

Unfortunately the AWI is a grey area and you would have to mix, and I haven't gotten a sense if they're going to try to fill in the range, or if they'll either work forwards to the AWI or O8 will work backwards to it.

plutarch 6409 Jan 2017 2:13 p.m. PST

@ Idontbelieveit – Murawski Miniatures have Baden infantry in 28mm:

murawskiminiatures.com/products

patrick76609 Jan 2017 2:42 p.m. PST

boy wundyr X

Mex/Am war Mexican line cavalry lancers work well for the 2nd Eclaireurs….

Patrick

willthepiper09 Jan 2017 2:56 p.m. PST

Cheers, Deadhead. I noticed that you mentioned 'reasonable size and proportions', which is going to mean different things to different people. The only other thing I'd suggest is contacting miniatures makers directly to see if they'd sell you horses separately. No harm in asking!

forwardmarchstudios09 Jan 2017 3:20 p.m. PST

Boy wundr x- the problem with MM is the price. At the current price point you'd be as well off going with 6mm. Marcins 3mm stuff hits a sweet spot between figs, frontage and price.

4th Cuirassier09 Jan 2017 3:26 p.m. PST

@ dwight shrute

They're lovely, but they're not 1/72. More like 1/65 and thus incompatible with anything else.

If Italeri made cuirassiers as proportionately huge I'd happily buy both and live with it. Unfortunately they are just gigantic – a problem that affects all Italeri figures.

The riflemen are fab too and those I can live with as they are rarely seen physically alongside another troop type.

boy wundyr x09 Jan 2017 4:41 p.m. PST

Ah, thanks Patrick, off to hunt some up!

14Bore09 Jan 2017 5:22 p.m. PST

Someday will finish the combat troops and will want more wagons and teamsters, other camp figures.

Gratian10 Jan 2017 3:41 a.m. PST

Seems like we're pretty spoilt! Personally, I would like to see more French fusilier companies skirmishing in greatcoats (AB 15mm). It may be niche but it's a minor niggle I have. I'm currently removing epaulettes from a batch a bought last year!

Dr Jeckyll10 Jan 2017 4:30 a.m. PST

boywundrx: heres my interpretation of the 3 regiments of Eclaireurs in 15/18mm (bad photo, sorry).
I used ABs Duchy of Warsaw line lancers for the 1st reg. and French Hussars for the 3rd regiment, and Mexican Line Lancers from Eurekas 18mm Mexican-American War line for the 2nd Eclaireurs.

bilde-111 by Erik Salvador, on Flickr


To the OP:
I would like to see more CoR troops, like Hessian Chevauxlegers, Anhalt, Lippe infantry, Westphalian Guard carabiniers/chasseurs, Italian Guards of Honor, in short more for the Grande Armee of 1812 in Russia.
Also, please, some cavalry in cloacks and some dismounted light cavalry…

Cheers!
Dr J

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP10 Jan 2017 5:01 a.m. PST

The 2e Eclaireurs in 18mm are simply brilliant.

My 28mm were a similar conversion. based on Perry Line Chasseurs command and their Carlist War troopers for the conical hat….some with shako rouleau from Perry Hussars,many on ACW horses as they did use very simple horse furniture.

I think the 18mm figures are more convincing. My photo did something very strange to the shade of green!

Yes, cavalry in cloaks with detachable heads

Durban Gamer10 Jan 2017 5:15 a.m. PST

I'd like to see Peter Pig do AWI British infantry for the Burgoyne campaign, as well as British and French sepoys for India during the AWI.
I'd like to see Pendraken do more poses and types for East Africa WW1 in 10mm. Especially dismounted cavalry on the Empire side.

CATenWolde10 Jan 2017 5:35 a.m. PST

I've been complaining about this for over a decade … but there is a frustrating lack of early period (1794-1800) figures in 10mm, and in 6mm. Lancer is now making a 10mm line for the Glory Years, and Adler has a beautiful 6mm French Rev / Glory Years French line, but no proper Austrian (or Prussian or Russian) opponents are seeing the light of day.

To be honest, I've probably given up on ever seeing them. :(

boy wundyr x10 Jan 2017 8:36 a.m. PST

Thanks Dr. Jeckyll, that's awesome – this is turning into the best thread ever for me :-)

138SquadronRAF10 Jan 2017 9:09 a.m. PST

I've been complaining about this for over a decade … but there is a frustrating lack of early period (1794-1800) figures in 10mm, and in 6mm. Lancer is now making a 10mm line for the Glory Years, and Adler has a beautiful 6mm French Rev / Glory Years French line, but no proper Austrian (or Prussian or Russian) opponents are seeing the light of day.

This is very true.

I do note that Pendraken do now have a range of Early Austrians. Russians you can use 7YW figures because of the Emperor Paul's "Reforms" that took the army back to that of Federick the Adequate. The one good thing about 10mm it does allow you a degree of latitude.

CaptainSi10 Jan 2017 11:20 a.m. PST

Part of my AB wishlist:
French Portuguese Legion,
French chasseurs in kinski,
Late war French dragoons
East Prussian National Cavalry
Elite Company Polish and French lancers,
Wurttemberg grenadiers,
Wurttemberg infantry/artillery in shako and overalls
Saxon Guard Grenadiers (1809),
Westphalian/Bavarian cuirassiers,
Saxon,Bavarian,Wurttemberg limbers & caissons,
Cavalry in cloaks,
Italian garde d'Honneur,
German minor states, 1806-09 & 1812,
Bavarian national guard,
More staff, especially French dragoon generals,
Lithuanian tartars

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP10 Jan 2017 11:25 a.m. PST

Any sitting figures I have requested before…in any scale…

Just do the figures in a sitting pose, with anything to sit on as separate

Generals and officers would be ideal; if left relatively simple, then easily converted to many nations.

Huge range of uses.

almost non-existent….even worse than cavalry dismounted.

Instead we get so many releases of heroic poses, frantically waving their swords around. Nothing wrong with that, but some variety please. Years since Perry did any cavalry other than charging (I might accept French at least from The Retreat as some exception)

Ravenfeeder10 Jan 2017 11:50 a.m. PST

I don't think anyone does a full range of Danish Napoleonics in 28mm, although it's been a while since I looked.

matthewgreen10 Jan 2017 12:33 p.m. PST

Good point deadhead. I would like to represent a static HQ with dismounted and seated staff figures.

Marc the plastics fan10 Jan 2017 1:42 p.m. PST

4th. Do you really mean the old Italeri set of dragoons? The new chasseurs are big, yes, but the dragoons seem perfect to me

The newer Prussian dragoons are rubbish though

Personal logo deadhead Supporting Member of TMP10 Jan 2017 3:03 p.m. PST

Good news for Ravenfeeder;

Perrys do Danes but no gunners or cavalry (yet anyway);


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