"Fiddly lines on french line infantry Waterloo " Topic
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HappyHiker | 07 Jan 2017 3:10 p.m. PST |
Hi, I've spent hours trying to find some pictures on tinter net but still not clear on somethings, please help. I'm trying to paint my first nappy french infantry. I have perry 1815, so some are in blue jackets. I get the basics. There's a lot of red piping on cuffs and collars etc. Is there red piping on the jacket tails or is it all white ? I've seen both. I'm doing Waterloo campaign. Is there red piping on the front of the jacket? Some hats have rope on, some don't. I get flank companies, red and green. But what's with the white rope, or gold or none? Also there's a band on the top of the hat, again what are the centre companies meant to have? White or none? Do people actually paint the white line on the red line that's on the cuff, I'm suspecting it's hard to see on a table top, but white is quite bright? Finally is there any excuse to have revolutionary french at Waterloo, just to brighten things up? ( I mean some obscure ref. from hogpit & flombart in 1878 that refers to regiment 38, company 3 having tricorn hats or something?) I'm trying to get the details right but we'll out my depth really… |
Lord Hill | 07 Jan 2017 3:15 p.m. PST |
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Camcleod | 07 Jan 2017 3:20 p.m. PST |
The Mont Saint Jean site has plates of all the basic uniforms. link Jacket tail – no piping Front – yes Shako cords had mostly disappeared by 1815. Top band – black for Fusiliers, red for Gren., yellow for Volt. |
HappyHiker | 07 Jan 2017 3:50 p.m. PST |
Great thanks. ( the mont saint jean site is great but it doesn't explain anything, so half the time I'm not sure what I'm looking at) So if I have a mini with a shako cord, what colour do I do? |
Dale Hurtt | 07 Jan 2017 5:57 p.m. PST |
White shako cords are the fusilier (center) companies. Gold are officers. No cords means they lost them or stowed them so they would get lost or dirty in the upcoming battle. French usually had six companies, so one company would be grenadiers with red cords, one would be voltigeurs with either yellow or green, and four would be fusiliers with white cords. Feel free to mix no cord guys in with the white cord guys. The guys with swords are likely officers, so they can get the gold, especially if you have one mounted on a horse (he is more than likely the Colonel or other staff officer). |
HappyHiker | 08 Jan 2017 3:07 a.m. PST |
Thanks for the help, hopefully that's enough for me to finish the guys. |
Garde de Paris | 08 Jan 2017 6:13 a.m. PST |
Waterloo French are just too boring. Only the tricolor tells them apart. If you can trace a unit at waterloo back to the demi-brigades of the Revolution, I think it would be great to use them! Over the years, I have enjoyed painting French units from 1806 through 1815, and using them together at will. All these units have "voltigeur" (light) companies and grenadier companies, wheras the voltigeurs did not exist during the Revolution. One could surely add a "company" of green uniformed Chasseure with Tarleton-like helmet to a Rev. battalion, and use them for Waterloo! I recall one player using War of 1812 US troops as Portuguese, and they looked fine on the field. I focus on the Peninsular War in Spain, and have elements of the Ist, IInd and !Vth Corps. I try to do units for those corps with some actual drummer, volitgeur, grenadier (no plate; brass grenade on bearskin; shakos) of whatever era. I have the 15th Line in white faced black in II corps; use 33rd Line in white faced purple to represent the 36th (which served with the 15th in Spain). I use Waterloo French for the 45th (I corps in Spain), and only the tricolor identifies it. I have a battalion of the Garde de Paris in green faced red, serving with the German Division, or with the II Corps troops as needed. Only some elements of the green-faced-red battalion was captured at Bailen - a unit with both red faced green and green faced red companies. I have no specific uniform information for the French Division of the IV Corps, but have considered using Rev. era uniforms for them. GdeP |
AICUSV | 14 Jan 2017 7:47 a.m. PST |
Waterloo French in Spain? How could you? GdP, hang your head in shame. US 1812 for Portuguese and sometimes Portuguese of US 1812. Heck, I remember when we fought the battle of Gettysburg using Ed's Rev. War figures. |
Garde de Paris | 14 Jan 2017 11:54 p.m. PST |
We also fought Gettysburg using 25/28mm Napoleonics. I drew an Austrian (Yankee)command with large units that could not move easily, plus 6 grenadiers! The French Confederates caught me in column, killed off the grenadiers in one move, but kept coming on in one long, single-unit column. I was able to turn from column into line, and sat through the rest of the game firing as my opponent fed more troops forward to fill-in the dead. Maddening, but "not war!" GdeP |
Musketier | 15 Jan 2017 2:46 p.m. PST |
HappyHiker, if the piping is too fiddly, just ignore most of it. From a few yards away you can hardly see it on a full-size uniform. I tested that once oat the Army Museum here in Brussels. The red piping between the coat's blue and the white laoels disappeared completely – so I don't paint it on my infantry figures; I only leave the white line around the cuffs. YMMV For gunners it's another story, here you need the red piping to relieve the blue. |
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