Xintao | 03 Jan 2017 5:21 a.m. PST |
So what oldhammer version has the most complete army books? I know not every army got a new book when a new version came out. I'm thinking 6th ed. |
teboj17 | 03 Jan 2017 6:34 a.m. PST |
Check out this link. Without looking I would also say 6th edition: link |
YogiBearMinis | 03 Jan 2017 6:54 a.m. PST |
If you include not-army specific books, like General's Compendium, etc., I would also agree 6th edition. 8th might be second. |
Xintao | 03 Jan 2017 7:48 a.m. PST |
So I did a little reseach. Well really some cut and pasting from wikipedia. 1st Edtion 1983 Forces of Fantasy 1984 2nd Edition 1984 Ravening Hordes 1987
3rd Edition 1987 Warhammer Armies 1987
4th Edition 1992 The Empire Jan-93 High Elves Feb-93 Orcs & Goblins Apr-93 Dwarfs Jun-93 Skaven Dec-93 Undead May-94 Chaos Aug-94 White Dwarf Presents: Chaos Dwarfs Dec-94 Dark Elves Jul-95 Wood Elves May-96
5TH Edition 1996 Bretonnia Nov-96 Lizardmen Feb-97 High Elves May-97 Realm of Chaos Jan-98 Champions of Chaos (Chaos Special Characters) May-98 Dogs of War Sep-98 Vampire Counts Jun-99
6th Edtion 2000 The Empire Oct-00 Ravening Hordes Oct-00 Orcs & Goblins Nov-00 Dwarfs Jan-01 Vampire Counts Apr-01 Dark Elves Jun-01 High Elves Jan-02 Skaven Mar-02 Hordes of Chaos Jun-02 Tomb Kings Jan-03 Lizardmen May-03 Beasts of Chaos Aug-03 Ogre Kingdoms Jan-05 Wood Elves Sep-05 Dwarfs Jan-06
7th Edition 2006 Orcs & Goblins Oct-06 The Empire Jan-07 High Elves Nov-07 Vampire Counts Mar-08 Daemons of Chaos May-08 Dark Elves Aug-08 Warriors of Chaos Nov-08 Lizardmen Feb-09
8th Edition 2010 Orcs & Goblins Mar-11 Tomb Kings May-11 Ogre Kingdoms Sep-11 Vampire Counts Jan-12 The Empire Apr-12 Warriors of Chaos Feb-13 Daemons of Chaos Mar-13 High Elves May-13 Lizardmen Aug-13 Dark Elves Oct-13 Dwarfs Feb-14 Wood Elves May-14
9th Edition DOA…. |
Xintao | 03 Jan 2017 7:50 a.m. PST |
So that's 4th has 9 5th has 5 6th has 14 7th has 8 8th has 12 Not sure what started me down this rabbit hole, but there you go. |
haywire | 03 Jan 2017 8:30 a.m. PST |
Do not forget that 8th edition has all the world ending books as well. |
Achtung Minen | 03 Jan 2017 9:44 a.m. PST |
5th Edition, by one book! 15 army books in all… The Empire Orcs & Goblins Dwarfs Skaven White Dwarf Presents: Chaos Dwarfs Dark Elves Wood Elves Bretonnia Lizardmen High Elves Kislev: The Claws of the Great Bear Realm of Chaos Champions of Chaos Dogs of War Vampire Counts |
Mike Target | 03 Jan 2017 9:53 a.m. PST |
Yeah, theres a lot of overlap- all the 4th ed books, are also 5th ed books, at least till replaced by an actual 5th ed book. So by my count that results in 17 for 5th ed. Though there was also a Grudgebringer list ( following on the pc game shawow of the horned rat) so that would be 18. Personally I preferred the simplicity of 6th with the ravening hordes booklet. Though if they'd done it right they could have fit the whole thing in the main rulebook… |
PMC317 | 03 Jan 2017 9:57 a.m. PST |
Don't forget that 6th Edition also included: The General's Compendium Warhammer Skirmish Warhammer Campaign: Lustria Warhammer Campaign: Storm of Chaos Warhammer Armies: Kislev (WD booklet) and, of course, Ravening Hordes. |
Thomas Thomas | 03 Jan 2017 9:59 a.m. PST |
Xantio has missed at least one Bretonian book as I personally have 2 versions (and another version was printed in White Dwarf). TomT |
Achtung Minen | 03 Jan 2017 10:07 a.m. PST |
Definitely 4th or 5th Edition for me… it is a better game mechanically and has a TON more stuff in it. Over two hundred magic items, two hundred spells, tons of monsters, tons of boxed scenario sets, a full Siege book and plastic castle set, scores of custom templates and counters, the best 'Eavy Metal painting guides ever published and the original, superior fluff before it got messed up by 6th Edition and later. Plus, it has actual pewter models… you know, the kind made out of real metal? Oh, and Kev Adams Orcs! Holy crap, Kev Adams Orcs… |
Xintao | 03 Jan 2017 10:49 a.m. PST |
I counted just full blown Army Books, Not supplements or white dwarf articles. Also only listing Armies that came out for that specific edition. I missed 3 because of page formatting. 6th Edition Bretonnia 7th Edition Skaven Beastmen |
Achtung Minen | 03 Jan 2017 10:57 a.m. PST |
But The Empire, Skaven, Dark Elves etc. did come out for 5th Edition… my copies say 1996 and they have text changes from the 4th Edition versions… |
Mike Target | 03 Jan 2017 11:11 a.m. PST |
There were revisions for the 4th ed books during 5th ed, but I think they were mostly limited to the "how to collect an army" pages, which were a bit more comprehensive in the later ones, with suggested basic forces for 1000 and 2000 points. The earlier ones usually just had a tactics article (or two I think in the empire book!) |
Achtung Minen | 03 Jan 2017 1:59 p.m. PST |
The descriptions of wizard characters were also changed to fit the new Warhammer Magic rules (which used Battle Magic instead of the Colleges, by default). |
Mithmee | 03 Jan 2017 6:31 p.m. PST |
Just because certain Editions have more Army Books does not make them better. |
Achtung Minen | 03 Jan 2017 7:46 p.m. PST |
Of course Mithmee is right! It's just a coincidence, in the case of 5th Edition! |
Xintao | 03 Jan 2017 10:00 p.m. PST |
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Mithmee | 04 Jan 2017 5:19 p.m. PST |
Of course Mithmee is right! It's just a coincidence, in the case of 5th Edition! It was with 5th Edition where WFB started to go downhill. I prefer 4th Edition. |
Judge Doug | 06 Jan 2017 1:37 p.m. PST |
blah blah 6th edition is superior because 4th/5th were horribly broken, so GW hired Tuomas Pirinen to write 6th and fixed all the loopholes (that he himself used to curbstomp everyone at tournaments). The best edition of WHFB and also the best army books. |
Achtung Minen | 06 Jan 2017 2:08 p.m. PST |
4th Edition is actually my favorite as well, but 5th edition is a very close second. Plus the 5th edition rulebook is much better illustrated and while the text is almost identical, there are a few places where the wording has been tightened up. I think this would be my ideal version: 5th Edition Rulebook 4th Edition Army Books 4th Edition magic expansion sets 5th Edition scenario packs I played 6th Edition for a couple of years after it was released… it played fine and was mechanically quite solid, but there was much, much less of a "game" there. Where were the Chaos gift cards, the crazy templates and the hilarious magic items like Heart of Woe? 6th Edition played like the designer would rather be playing Warhammer Ancient Battles than Warhammer Fantasy Battles… it was so dry and dull that 6th edition literally killed my interest in Warhammer for over a decade. Then a few years ago, I randomly dusted off my old 4th/5th edition books and the magic all came flooding back in. 6th Edition was the beginning of the end for Warhammer as a popular system, to be honest… it was fine on its own, but it was heading in the wrong direction which eventually led to the game being cancelled. I mean no disrespect to Longsword (aka Tuomas Pirinen). The man wrote what was probably the best tactica article on the internet for 4th and 5th edition. But the game he replaced 5th Edition with just lacked all the spirit and electricity of the earlier games. Don't believe me? Give 'em a try! |
Your Kidding | 07 Jan 2017 4:40 p.m. PST |
Achtung, you make a few keen observations. However, respectfully I enjoyed the "solid" feel 6th. Especially, if you kept the special characters at a minimum. True, the zany flavor was not as strong. But, that's why there are orcs! As for the beginning of the end, I think it was the tournament mentality of min max that lead down the path of blowing up the world. |
Bob Runnicles | 17 Jan 2017 2:39 p.m. PST |
I enjoyed 4th but 5th was responsible for the overpowered heroes – there's a reason 5th is often referred to as 'Herohammer' after all… |