Beagle | 31 Dec 2016 10:04 p.m. PST |
I think this might sound like heresy to some, but does anyone out there mix scales? Specifically, I am pondering mixing 10mm tanks with 15mm infantry for the simple reason that I have like 200 1/144 scale tanks and like 2000 15mm infantry…. They seem to look okay together. Mixing vehicles between scales would look just weird I think, as would mixing infantry. What does the Community think? What say ye? Anybody done anything like this with 15mm and 1/72? |
thorr666 | 31 Dec 2016 10:19 p.m. PST |
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Rick Don Burnette | 31 Dec 2016 10:20 p.m. PST |
In many cases we mix 1 76 w 1 72 and 1 87 infantry as it isnt too noticeable, but this really doesnt work with the same vehicle, though it can work with different vehicles, as long as a Tiger isnt smaller than a Sherman. With micro armor, 1 300 and 1 285 are ok, but not with 2mm or 3mm7 |
T Callahan | 31 Dec 2016 10:33 p.m. PST |
With 1/300 aircraft I use 1/1200 ships and 3mm figures and vehicles. Terry |
Weasel | 31 Dec 2016 10:34 p.m. PST |
I haven't but when playing Crossfire, I thought about it. Thing is.. a stand of 3 figures typically represents a squad while a tank model represents one vehicle. But that makes the tanks take up way more ground than they ought to. 10mm tanks would solve that (and are also like a third of the price) |
Wretched Peasant Scum | 31 Dec 2016 10:46 p.m. PST |
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Doctor X | 31 Dec 2016 11:05 p.m. PST |
If you're happy with it… Exactly! |
langobard | 01 Jan 2017 2:37 a.m. PST |
Another vote for 'if you're happy with it!' I recall a large scale set of Napoleonic rules (possibly Naps Batts?) that recommended using 1/300 buildings with 15mm troops as the buildings had the right footprint while 15mm buildings were hopelessly overscale for the the rules. It looked odd at first, but you get used to it, and if it ends up looking right to you, that is all that matters in the end. |
acatcalledelvis | 01 Jan 2017 3:16 a.m. PST |
I would always make the terrain one scale down from the figure scale – as sais above it fits the footprint better and you get used to it Also I use different scale aircraft to the ground figures and this looks ok |
sillypoint | 01 Jan 2017 3:29 a.m. PST |
I use 144 scale aircraft in Crossire, they are after all in the sky, way above the battlefield. Actually we do it all the time, especially when using 1/48 scale, if we matched the height of hills or trees to the figures. Also, if you convert effective gun ranges with ground scale, you'd need more tabletop. When viewing a scale architectural model, a game would revolve around one building complex, rather than across a countryside. |
robert piepenbrink | 01 Jan 2017 5:25 a.m. PST |
This is miniature warfare: there are no umpires to expel you. I don't do it with vehicles, but as with a couple of other, I'll sometimes use underscale buildings let my entire town become a cottage of something. |
sebastien | 01 Jan 2017 7:11 a.m. PST |
I have a weird mix of 20mm infantry, 1/87th armour supplemented with 15mm for a few rwcon vehicles….purists will cringe but they are my toys! I also have a number of 15mm buildings for ACW 28 mm figures which actually works very well….so if you like it, do it! |
thomalley | 01 Jan 2017 8:03 a.m. PST |
Zvezda makes 1/100 tanks, but their infantry is 1/72 and the aircraft are 1/144. |
Frederick | 01 Jan 2017 8:41 a.m. PST |
Sure Whatever works for you |
nazrat | 01 Jan 2017 9:23 a.m. PST |
Do what makes you happy, but I never ever would. 8)= |
Weasel | 01 Jan 2017 9:31 a.m. PST |
Now i am going to sneak into Nazrats house and replace a single 15mm figure with a 12mm figure and see how long before he notices. |
Tgunner | 01 Jan 2017 9:42 a.m. PST |
Use what works for you.
There are three scales in this little mechanized platoon. The big guy is a 28mm VOR Ares battlesuit. The two shorter guys are 1/285 (6mm) Iron Wind Metals Battle Tech Valkyries. Everything else is 15mm from Rebel Minis and Khurasan. I think the Valks are a bit too small, but I imagine them being crewed by rather short and thin mecha jocks with the head bending forward and the crewman climbing into the cavity in the chest. Sort of like this:
It works for me and I have fun games. So why not use what you want if you're happy with it? |
donlowry | 01 Jan 2017 10:03 a.m. PST |
I have used 1/300-scale buildings with 15mm troops, but that was for a Napoleonics game where 1 stand = a brigade, so the ground scale was way out of proportion to the figures anyway. |
Bozkashi Jones | 01 Jan 2017 1:08 p.m. PST |
HERETIC!!!! Burn him! Burn him NOW! Though being Church of England I'd say that's fine by me if it's fine by you. We play with toy soldiers, after all; bit difficult to be intolerant when starting from that point. Wishing you sixes, Nick |
Dale Hurtt | 01 Jan 2017 1:09 p.m. PST |
It seems to me that many of the vehicles used for 28mm WW II games vary in scale. |
miniMo | 01 Jan 2017 9:42 p.m. PST |
My largest collection and preferred mix of scales for WW2 is: 1/87 vehicles (with1/87 crew), 1/76-1/72 infantry, and 1/100 aircraft. |
peterx | 02 Jan 2017 8:08 a.m. PST |
I mix 28mm WW2 infantry with 1:72 scale aircraft if there is a need for aircraft. The same with 20mm infantry and 1:144 scale aircraft for strafing attacks etc. |
Bill N | 02 Jan 2017 9:57 a.m. PST |
The most common scale mixing I do is for structures. I like to have buildings that match the ground scale, even if that means using structures that are a much smaller scale than the figures I am using. I've also been known to mix 1/72 and 1/76 figures, and use them with vehicles that may be slightly larger or smaller than that. |
Mark 1 | 02 Jan 2017 11:49 a.m. PST |
I have no objection to someone else mixing scales. But I don't. At least not beyond about 5% difference. Not voluntarily. I say voluntarily because I am fully aware that not all vendors interpret scales the same way, nor do all vendors keep a constant scale from one model to the next. And I say 5% difference because I do mix 1/285 and 1/300. Both qualify as 6mm in my book. So also I would mix 1/72 and 1/76, if I was active in that scale range. The difference in height between figures that are true to 1/285 and true to 1/300 will be less than the difference in height between the shortest and tallest in any random gathering of 10 adult men. So I don't sweat it too much. However, there should be no difference between the height to the engine deck of the tallest and the shortest M4 Sherman tank. Well, no approach is perfect. -Mark (aka: Mk 1) |
Terry37 | 02 Jan 2017 7:57 p.m. PST |
I typically use 15 MM figures, 10 MM vehicles and 1:300 aircraft in my HotT gaming. I will occasionally use 6 MM pieces for the Stronghold if I need to create a large facility. Terry |
Weasel | 03 Jan 2017 5:27 a.m. PST |
Mark – It depends on how much they were feeding the Sherman tank when it was a baby. |
4th Cuirassier | 03 Jan 2017 6:09 a.m. PST |
The difference in bulk between a 1/72 and a 1/76 model is 76^3/72^3, which is to say that the 1/72 model is 18% bigger than the 1/76. My preferred scale is 1/32 and here the difference between 1/32 and 1/35 is even more acute (31%). Fortunately in 1/32 you can fit so few vehicles onto a table that the visual problem of two SdKfz 251s alongside each other, one of which is 31% larger than the other, does not arise. There'll only be one of them anyway. For the same reason you can easily use a 1/30 Ogonek ISU-152 with 1/32 Airfix. Although it's not 1/32, neither are the figures. I think it is a myth though that there is so much variation in human height that you can ignore the visible difference between a 1/72 figure and a 1/76 figure. In practice, if you look at a group of people 100 yards away, they all look the same height. You can no more discern the difference in height between a 6-foot guy and a 5'8" guy than you can distinguish their shoe size at that distance. So my preference is for identical figure height, as everything else looks weird, and in any case while people might be different heights their weapons, steel helmets and boots would not be. As long as the figures and vehicles don't look out of respective whack I am then happy. |
Bill N | 03 Jan 2017 8:07 a.m. PST |
A man 5'10" would be .92" tall (23.4mm) in 1/76. A figure .92" tall would represent someone 5'6" in 1/72. Both of these heights are within the normal range for human heights. A 5'10" figure in 1/72 would be 24.7mm, or slightly more than a 1 mm difference. If you look at the different supposed 1/72 figure heights in PSR, you will frequently see that much difference. The equipment (which should be the same size regardless of the man's height) may noticeably vary, or the sculpting styles may not be compatible. That may also be true of figures from two different manufacturers that are supposedly the same scale though. What it really comes down to is personal preference. If two figures of slightly different scale look right together to you, then you should feel free to use them. If they do not look right together to you, don't. This is the same standard that should be used when mixing figures of supposedly the same scale from different manufacturers. |
11th ACR | 03 Jan 2017 2:12 p.m. PST |
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