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14th NJ Vol29 Dec 2016 8:07 p.m. PST

As the title says, Old Glory product code CF-363A is identified as a 15mm PZIIIF. What gun does that have?

Who asked this joker29 Dec 2016 9:07 p.m. PST

The short answer is whatever you want. I suspect at that scale, the 37mmm and 50mm short would be indistinguishable.

Jamesonsafari29 Dec 2016 9:13 p.m. PST

According to the interweb a IIIF has a 5cm gun.

But does it matter?

I have short barreled and long barreled panzer IIIs. Depending on year of scenario they have either 37 or 50mm guns.

d88mm194030 Dec 2016 12:29 a.m. PST

I believe the F model started out with the 3.7 cm gun. After the G model came out with the 5.cm gun, the F's were retro-fitted with the 5.cm gun.

BuckeyeBob30 Dec 2016 11:35 a.m. PST

I happen to have both the IIIE and IIIF from OG on my painting table now. They look virtually identical, same gun, turret and body/tracks…if there is a difference, I can not see it.
Supposedly the E is a 37mm and the F a short 50mm.
So as stated previously, use it for either size gun. At that size can you really tell a 13mm gun size difference?

Mark 1 Supporting Member of TMP30 Dec 2016 11:52 a.m. PST

As d88mm1940 stated, the Pz IIIF started production with the 3.7cm gun. But the Pz IIIG also started production with the 3.7cm gun.

The 5cm gun was first introduced on the -G. As he has stated, after the G model started to get teh 5cm gun, F's were retrofitted. But some F's, the last units produced, were produced with the 5cm gun.

With the Pz III sub-models the ausf. designation does not necessarily indicate model improvements. For example, as BuckeyeBob has observed there should be virtually no visual difference between an -E and an -F. The -E was a contract for pre-production models, the -F was a contract for mass production models. I believe the only variance between the two was some internal engine components.

The ausf. designation essentially indicates the contract for production. As it turns out, every contract for more production included some design changes, but we see, for example in the case of the -F, that there were bigger changes WITHIN the tanks produced under that contract (upgunning to 5cm) than between this particular contract and the one before it.

Also, the -F models had not completed construction when the -G models started in production, because the old contract had not yet been completed when the new contract was let out. The key change in the -G was the armored mantlet. But it was a new contract for incremental production of tanks.

Or so I understand …

-Mark
(aka: Mk 1)

Dynaman878931 Dec 2016 6:41 a.m. PST

If you understand German tank designations then you are better off than the Germans were!

14th NJ Vol31 Dec 2016 6:00 p.m. PST

Thanks folks, appreciate the feedback.
Happy New Year.
Andy

Neroon01 Jan 2017 7:57 p.m. PST

Only 96 Ausf E and 435 Ausf F manufactured. Last 100 Ausf F had the 50mm gun. Earlier vehicles were upgraded with later features when overhauled.

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