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Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP28 Dec 2016 3:49 a.m. PST

Any books or plates that deal sepsifically with these?

I'm thinking instead of the classic French vs English

I thought French vs Burgundy(mostly as I find hordes of archers boring)

Am I right in assuming that the Brugundian army was close in style of the French, in armor and use of mounted MAA? How early did they start using the pike?

Prince Rupert of the Rhine28 Dec 2016 5:09 a.m. PST

Osprey have a good book to start you off

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The Last Conformist28 Dec 2016 5:37 a.m. PST

IIRC, they didn't start using pikes in a big way before Charles the Rash/Bold's reforms. The army was broadly similar to the French (which means it had a fair lot of archers, if still less than the English).

Swampster28 Dec 2016 6:29 a.m. PST

The Osprey only gives a short amount on the HYW period army. It does say that analysis of the figures for John the Fearless's armies gives an average of 38% coming from Flanders and Artois. Philip the Good certainly had men from Bruges and Ghent when besieging the English in Calais after the end of their alliance, so these likely included pike armed guildsmen. The garrison of Sluis in 1415 was about 1/3 pikemen, but the overall numbers are so small that it would be difficult to assume that this could be extrapolated for a larger army.

The main actions I've read about tend to be Anglo-Burgundian armies – for at least one of those the Burgundians seem to have provided MAA, crossbowmen and pioneers. In another, they said they would send 1200 MAA, 1000 Picard archers and 200 crossbowmen.

Vaughn's books on John the Fearless and Philip the Good are probably as good as you'll get in English – much is available on Google books link see esp page 140
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The Hook and Cod war might be a good option – there are English involved but they are the minority part of the opposition. See link which has a dkethcy order of battle.

Gunfreak Supporting Member of TMP28 Dec 2016 7:48 a.m. PST

Thanks for the info, I'm looking at the 1337-1390 period, so Charles the Blod is quite a bit to late.

Jcfrog28 Dec 2016 9:37 a.m. PST

You can recycle some English mercs esp when they were allied. Otherwise just the usual mes err mix like other French holdings and a slice of Flemish whenever they had a hold on them.

Swampster28 Dec 2016 10:04 a.m. PST

Ah, if you want that early then Burgundy under Philip the Bold wasn't fighting against the rest of France. He was even co-regent for a while.
Perhaps the Breton civil war might suit better, though even that has English helping on one side with the French king supporting the other. Auray, for instance, doesn't seem to have been dominated by English archers. link

Griefbringer29 Dec 2016 9:47 a.m. PST

As said above, the Burgundian-Armagnac conflict really only starts in the early 15th century.

If you are looking for something else in the mid-14th century than the classic English-French match-up, then other options might involve:
- Breton civil war (mentioned already)
- Navarran civil war (again both English and French got involved)
- various free companies terrorising France after a peace treaty
- western European mercenary companies in Italy

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